Covid-19 (Coronavirus)

Led Zeppelin

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I (and the blog I linked to above) are also not talking about the government mandates but individuals following recommendations from scientists and doctors.

Isn't that cute.

An average person can be expected to wear a mask if they feel sick and go out in public.

Actually, I don't expect them to do that anymore. Lots of people don't. We are just wearing masks because the government forces us to.
 

Led Zeppelin

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I honestly do not understand misinformed pushback.
I dont think there is any misinformed pushback. I think it's just people realizing the situation isnt as bad as we first thought it was when it started. 2 fucking years ago. I would have actually supported a far more drastic shutdown here in Germany and for a longer time at the beginning of this shitfest.
 

BoganUSAFFLClerk

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First, citation needed. Second, one should listen to scientists and doctors for such a matter, not politicians anyways.
Here's two:




Secondly the topic of this channel is Covid - it doesn't specify no politics.
Non-sequitur.
Have you any idea how much waste is created via disposable masks specifically due to Covid requirements/recommendations?


It is counter to what the left argues which is the reduction of waste. It is hypocritical even the lefties here must acknowledge. Counter to intent and leanings.
How long can an ordinary person with type 1 diabetes be expected to listen to their doctor? How long can ordinary people be expected to wear a seat belt while in a vehicle? You say this as if reasonable expectations are not already the norm for ordinary people.
Except type 1 diabetes has real provable and far more likely effects counter to what Covid is. Covid relies much on age group, ethnic group and those that are already at risk such as people with diabetes/Obesity in order to get severe symptoms. NOT SO with Diabetes. Apples to Mangos.

When I have such a low chance at getting Covid or even showing symptoms the least of which severe. It appears much like a cold or flu. Really ridiculous when your position is this and the risk is low to wear a mask - an annoyance and inconvenience. If I am an at risk group as defined prior then a mask seems reasonable. Other than that it makes no sense to me. I work at a gun shop and I have firearms pointed at me daily. Body armor stops bullets a mask maybe perhaps prevents Covid.
 

BoganUSAFFLClerk

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Yeah, mask wearing is important amd we should all do the best we can to follow the CDC reccomendations, but there's also the question of what an ordinary person can be reasonably expected to do and for how long.
I gave up a long time ago. It doesn't make sense with regards to my job. Not much point in wearing a mask in an indoor shooting range. Hard enough to convey instructions when an inherently dangerous object is in the hands of the uninitiated. It also doesn't make sense in the context of a gun store - hmm masked people hiding their identities. And I am supposed to investigate to a small degree these people's intent while also continuously asking: "sorry what was that?" after every other sentence? Please.....pppffttt.
 

We are Borg

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@BoganUSAFFLClerk i think you make a good point with shooting range and gun store and masks. On an indoor range for instructor communication is key but he should be able to wear a face shield that stops spit. In an gun store i think its key to see someone’s face because a face can show what they are up to you do not want a lose cannon inside the store, to make sure everyone stays save less people inside then normal. One way path inside the store and passing other people needs to be done fast and heads turned away from one and other, you have low chance of getting sick when you only are a few seconds in each path. The real problem is when someone sneezes or coughs that stays to long in the air. As store i would offer face shields that are cleaned in front of an customer so they see that there cleaned correctly.
 

BoganUSAFFLClerk

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@BoganUSAFFLClerk i think you make a good point with shooting range and gun store and masks. On an indoor range for instructor communication is key but he should be able to wear a face shield that stops spit. In an gun store i think its key to see someone’s face because a face can show what they are up to you do not want a lose cannon inside the store, to make sure everyone stays save less people inside then normal. One way path inside the store and passing other people needs to be done fast and heads turned away from one and other, you have low chance of getting sick when you only are a few seconds in each path. The real problem is when someone sneezes or coughs that stays to long in the air. As store i would offer face shields that are cleaned in front of an customer so they see that there cleaned correctly.
The problem with any face coverings means you have less volume by default. When there are pistol, rifle and ar "pistols" commonly on the range it is difficult enough to convey critical information while under normal range circumstances. Also such things interfere with sighting firearms via a magnified optic or some type of aperture/diopter sights. Under recoil I lost my mask and also you cannot get a cheek weld on any gun with a provision to shoulder assuming you are using a face shield. I forgo it altogether as many times such frustrations have led to very unsafe behavior on the part of other instructors as well as the client(s).

Also during active threat training people cannot be heard clearly in order for the training to be effective so the entire trip is moot if you are following CDC guidelines.
 

he_who_is_nobody

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Here's two:



The first video is of Sleepy Joe outside without a mask. Of course, you realize that is what the CDC recommends. The second video is of a reporter asking about an incident. I find it funny that there is no video of the incidence in question, and seeing as how the Right loves to spin yarns, I doubt what he is saying is true.

Secondly the topic of this channel is Covid - it doesn't specify no politics.

Nor did I. Work on your reading comprehension.

Have you any idea how much waste is created via disposable masks specifically due to Covid requirements/recommendations?

It is counter to what the left argues which is the reduction of waste. It is hypocritical even the lefties here must acknowledge. Counter to intent and leanings.

I could reply with the simple adage, "place mask over your face before helping others," or point out that reusable masks are a far better option anyways, but I will stick to the fact that this is a non sequitur.

Except type 1 diabetes has real provable and far more likely effects counter to what Covid is. Covid relies much on age group, ethnic group and those that are already at risk such as people with diabetes/Obesity in order to get severe symptoms. NOT SO with Diabetes. Apples to Mangos.

First off, I am not comparing The CoViD to diabetes, again work on your reading comprehension. I am pointing out that people following what their doctor recommends is already a norm in our society, so acting as if this is something new and unique is asinine. Second, you are not factoring in asymptomatic people spreading the disease. The point of wearing a mask and getting the vaccine is to reduce the spread to everyone to help people in high-risk groups.

When I have such a low chance at getting Covid or even showing symptoms the least of which severe. It appears much like a cold or flu. Really ridiculous when your position is this and the risk is low to wear a mask - an annoyance and inconvenience. If I am an at risk group as defined prior then a mask seems reasonable. Other than that it makes no sense to me.

As I already said, the point of wearing a mask and getting vaccinated is to stop the spread. If you knew anything about personal responsibility, this would make sense to you, but it appears evident that personal responsibility means nothing to you. Also, since you are without health insurance, is it better to wear a mask and get a free vaccine that will keep you out of the hospital or run the risk of heading up face up in a hospital for two or more nights?

I work at a gun shop and I have firearms pointed at me daily.

I doubt that.

Body armor stops bullets a mask maybe perhaps prevents Covid.

Non sequitur.
 

BoganUSAFFLClerk

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The first video is of Sleepy Joe outside without a mask. Of course, you realize that is what the CDC recommends. The second video is of a reporter asking about an incident. I find it funny that there is no video of the incidence in question, and seeing as how the Right loves to spin yarns, I doubt what he is saying is true.
Ok what about the numerous occasions where he ignores his own federal ruling that masks should be worn in federal buildings and yet he doesn't wear one? Or how about the recommendation of wearing 3 mask layers and yet still doesn't follow those recommendations? At the certain point the irony and bold faced loads of nonsense has got to stop.
I could reply with the simple adage, "place mask over your face before helping others," or point out that reusable masks are a far better option anyways, but I will stick to the fact that this is a non sequitur.
Majority of masks I see people choose to use are disposable. They reuse disposable ones to the point where they are literally black ion the face ..... mask. It negates the entire purpose when you introduce foreign contaminants into your body because you were simply too lazy to use a new mask.

This is not a non sequitur it is directly related to the purpose of masks and their relation to Covid.
First off, I am not comparing The CoViD to diabetes, again work on your reading comprehension. I am pointing out that people following what their doctor recommends is already a norm in our society, so acting as if this is something new and unique is asinine. Second, you are not factoring in asymptomatic people spreading the disease. The point of wearing a mask and getting the vaccine is to reduce the spread to everyone to help people in high-risk groups.
Ironically the people I know that have contracted Covid with symptoms were among the very old and/or people with preexisting conditions AFTER they took the vaccine. They were put on ventilators and given steroidal treatments as part of rehabilitation programs. Meanwhile I know zero people who abstained from taking the vaccine and never show symptoms and have been tested and tested negative - myself included. It seems like it is the opposite effect and for this reason I don't trust it.
As I already said, the point of wearing a mask and getting vaccinated is to stop the spread. If you knew anything about personal responsibility, this would make sense to you, but it appears evident that personal responsibility means nothing to you. Also, since you are without health insurance, is it better to wear a mask and get a free vaccine that will keep you out of the hospital or run the risk of heading up face up in a hospital for two or more nights?
Don't talk to me about personal responsibility I operate as a firearms instructor and RSO - we are liable for many things if we are negligent.

Also that is old news I am in fact covered via health insurance. The coverage after the new increments were implemented finally made it so I get free health insurance at my threshold where before it did not.

Your scenario of me contracting the disease and having symptoms is ridiculous given the new variants and yet the lack of symptoms especially for someone who works without masks and sees about 130k patrons per year also mostly sans mask.
I doubt that.
I wear this on the daily.


It is rated to stop 3 shots of .30-06 armor piercing M2 loaded rounds.

At our other location we in fact had a fatality over patrons screwing around taking selfies with loaded chambered firearms and as a result the friend shot the other friend in the abdomen and as a result expired I am told. The RSO there either chose to do nothing or was not aware.
Non sequitur.
I don't think you know what non sequitur means. You keep using that word....

 

he_who_is_nobody

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Ok what about the numerous occasions where he ignores his own federal ruling that masks should be worn in federal buildings and yet he doesn't wear one? Or how about the recommendation of wearing 3 mask layers and yet still doesn't follow those recommendations? At the certain point the irony and bold faced loads of nonsense has got to stop.

Citations needed.

Majority of masks I see people choose to use are disposable. They reuse disposable ones to the point where they are literally black ion the face ..... mask.

Confirmation bias.

It negates the entire purpose when you introduce foreign contaminants into your body because you were simply too lazy to use a new mask.

How exactly are foreign contaminants being introduced by using the same mask?

This is not a non sequitur it is directly related to the purpose of masks and their relation to Covid.

Yes, it is a non sequitur, one already addressed by pointing out that reusable masks are a better option anyway.

Ironically the people I know that have contracted Covid with symptoms were among the very old and/or people with preexisting conditions AFTER they took the vaccine. They were put on ventilators and given steroidal treatments as part of rehabilitation programs. Meanwhile I know zero people who abstained from taking the vaccine and never show symptoms and have been tested and tested negative - myself included. It seems like it is the opposite effect and for this reason I don't trust it.

I doubt that.

Don't talk to me about personal responsibility I operate as a firearms instructor and RSO ...

I doubt that.

Also that is old news I am in fact covered via health insurance. The coverage after the new increments were implemented finally made it so I get free health insurance at my threshold where before it did not.

Thanks, Obama!

Your scenario of me contracting the disease and having symptoms is ridiculous given the new variants and yet the lack of symptoms especially for someone who works without masks and sees about 130k patrons per year also mostly sans mask.

My scenario might be unlikely, but it is far more likely than if you were to get vaccinated and wear a mask. Beyond that, you are still ignoring the asymptomatic spread of the disease. But, again, if you knew anything about personal responsibility, that reason alone would be why you get vaccinated and wear a mask.


I doubt that.

At our other location we in fact had a fatality over patrons screwing around taking selfies with loaded chambered firearms and as a result the friend shot the other friend in the abdomen and as a result expired I am told. The RSO there either chose to do nothing or was not aware.

Citation needed.

I don't think you know what non sequitur means. You keep using that word....


I do not think you know how to use a forum boomer. Also, stating that body armor can stop a bullet, but masks might not stop The CoViD is a non sequitur. Your gun range fantasies do not equate to a point about "Covid-19 (Coronavirus)."
 

BoganUSAFFLClerk

Active Member
Citations needed.




I can post more - stop being lazy and spend 5 seconds on Google to learn common knowledge.
Confirmation bias.
Most businesses still have an option for a free mask. Lots of people here don't wear a mask period. The people that have forgotten their usual mask tend to take disposable masks in the event they forget theirs. Still people get disposable masks and use those due to convenience.

If you want to use reuseable masks you have to wash them for them to be effective otherwise you are slothering germs all over your face if you are not careful with them.

Disposable is easier reusable is harder. Considering how lazy people are I don't think this is unreasonable to see. Seems like you have the confirmation bias here thinking everybody everywhere is using reusable.
How exactly are foreign contaminants being introduced by using the same mask?
If you put your mask in your pocket when not recommended say to eat for example. Which side was the outer or the inner? You have germs no matter what you do and therefore probably forgot the correct orientation in order to keep those germs segregated.
Yes, it is a non sequitur, one already addressed by pointing out that reusable masks are a better option anyway.
Yet people are lazy and that requires them to stop being so lazy. This is not commonly seen. The masks overwhelmingly seen in my locale are paper blue and white masks people get for free.
I doubt that.
Doubt it all you want. It just goes to show the unwillingness to learn. There are many problem with the vaccine and this is just one example.

Even the inventor of one of them says the young shouldn't take it.

I doubt that.
Literally wear body armor and operate a range and dictate to people how to be safe with firearms. Literally my job - profession.
Thanks, Obama!
The coverage sucks and doesn't cover much. If I simply chose to find a better job with better coverage it would be better via a private business compared to the public option put into place by Obama (also if Obama had his way I would have to continue to pay the mandate, Trump removed the mandate and improved it).
My scenario might be unlikely, but it is far more likely than if you were to get vaccinated and wear a mask. Beyond that, you are still ignoring the asymptomatic spread of the disease. But, again, if you knew anything about personal responsibility, that reason alone would be why you get vaccinated and wear a mask.
Again there are problems with the vaccine. They are known to cause complications such as blood clots which is a far larger threat to me compared to corona virus.

https://www.novanthealth.org/healthy-headlines/vaccines-and-blood-clots

6k additional deaths due to complications with covid 19 vaccination provided by the CDC.

I doubt that.
Doubt it all you want. It doesn't make it untrue.
Citation needed.
I am not going to give you a citation as to who I work I for. Also I don't think it is unreasonable to think that someone can be shot negligently when the RSO doesn't do their job.
I do not think you know how to use a forum boomer. Also, stating that body armor can stop a bullet, but masks might not stop The CoViD is a non sequitur. Your gun range fantasies do not equate to a point about "Covid-19 (Coronavirus)."
I am saying body armor is far more effective in its intent compared to wearing a mask and thinking that will save you. Same when it comes to vaccine as the vaccine introduces a separate threat of death via complications such as blood clots. No such issue with body armor. Get with the program and learn some English literary understanding of the narrative. One is effective and without complication directly related to its use the other does not. Happy reading.
 

he_who_is_nobody

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I can post more - stop being lazy and spend 5 seconds on Google to learn common knowledge.

Claims made without evidence can and will be dismissed without evidence. However, I am happy to see that you can back up your claims. Sleepy Joe is such a fool.

Most businesses still have an option for a free mask. Lots of people here don't wear a mask period. The people that have forgotten their usual mask tend to take disposable masks in the event they forget theirs. Still people get disposable masks and use those due to convenience.

If you want to use reuseable masks you have to wash them for them to be effective otherwise you are slothering germs all over your face if you are not careful with them.

Disposable is easier reusable is harder. Considering how lazy people are I don't think this is unreasonable to see. Seems like you have the confirmation bias here thinking everybody everywhere is using reusable.

Where did I say that everybody everywhere is using reusable? Beyond that, how much harder is it to wash a reusable mask than washing your underwear. Perhaps you find that to be difficult, but most adults do not. In addition, you are just reporting your confirmation bias as if it were a fact.

If you put your mask in your pocket when not recommended say to eat for example. Which side was the outer or the inner? You have germs no matter what you do and therefore probably forgot the correct orientation in order to keep those germs segregated.

Forgot the orientation? I also do not see how one gets any more germs than putting their hands in their pocket and touching their face afterward. However, if one does not eat out and wears a mask in public, this is not a problem. Amazing that you have to add something already risky to your fantasy about masks to get extra germs on them.

Yet people are lazy and that requires them to stop being so lazy. This is not commonly seen. The masks overwhelmingly seen in my locale are paper blue and white masks people get for free.

Again, you put forth your confirmation bias as a fact. Just because you are lazy and selfish does not mean others are.

Doubt it all you want. It just goes to show the unwillingness to learn. There are many problem with the vaccine and this is just one example.

Learn from what? Your fearmongering? If you had anything, you would share the evidence for it instead of made-up stories as you have been.

Even the inventor of one of them says the young shouldn't take it.

mRNA inventor says young adults shouldn't have to get COVID vaccine

You did not read your citation, now did you? The article says that Dr. Robert Malone does not think children should get vaccinated because the risk of them getting deathly sick is so tiny, not that the vaccine is dangerous. Yet another example of your empty bag when it comes to not getting vaccinated or wearing a mask.

Literally wear body armor and operate a range and dictate to people how to be safe with firearms. Literally my job - profession.

Again, I doubt that.

The coverage sucks and doesn't cover much. If I simply chose to find a better job with better coverage it would be better via a private business compared to the public option put into place by Obama (also if Obama had his way I would have to continue to pay the mandate, Trump removed the mandate and improved it).

So you have health insurance now because of the Affordable Care Act, which Don Corona tried to repeal and replace (and failed). Got it.

Again there are problems with the vaccine. They are known to cause complications such as blood clots which is a far larger threat to me compared to corona virus.

https://www.novanthealth.org/healthy-headlines/vaccines-and-blood-clots

You do not read your citations, now do you?

Josh Jarman said:
Still, the numbers are small. As of early December, more than 16.9 million doses of the J&J's vaccine have been given in the U.S. Of those, the CDC and FDA identified 57 confirmed reports of people who later developed TTS.

Though, one study determined that people were eight to 10 times more likely to develop blood clots in the brain from having COVID itself rather than from receiving either of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.

Thus, we are only talking about the J&J vaccine, and if you think a 57 to 16.9 million risk is riskier than getting the CoViD, then there is no wonder why you thought voting for Don Corona was a good idea.

6k additional deaths due to complications with covid 19 vaccination provided by the CDC.


You do not read your citations, now do you?

Robert Carlson said:
UPDATE #2: As of 6:30 PM CT on July 21, 2021, the CDC's website stated through July 19, 2021, VAERS had received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. The CDC's webpage's Last Update date reflects July 21, 2021.

Since more than 338 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the USA, this data reflects a vaccination-death ratio of 0.0018%.

The CDC’s website says, ‘Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. This is because the U.S. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after a COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause.

Furthermore, a review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines, says the CDC.

This is just getting sad. You do not have a leg to stand on, as I have already said. All you can do is make up stories about vaccinated people because you have no evidence. If only you would stop grasping at straws and accept personal responsibility for your actions.

Doubt it all you want. It doesn't make it untrue.

Yeah, but having the source come from a less than honest interlocutor kind of does.

I am not going to give you a citation as to who I work I for. Also I don't think it is unreasonable to think that someone can be shot negligently when the RSO doesn't do their job.

Again, claims made without evidence can and will be dismissed without evidence. Beyond that, It is cute that you still think anyone believes you work around firearms.

I am saying body armor is far more effective in its intent compared to wearing a mask and thinking that will save you.

Great, and no one would argue otherwise. 'Tis why this is a non sequitur. Body armor can be more effective at stopping bullets than masks are at preventing the spread of a respiratory illness, and both would still be smart to wear based on the circumstance.

Same when it comes to vaccine as the vaccine introduces a separate threat of death via complications such as blood clots.

From your source:

Josh Jarman said:
Though, one study determined that people were eight to 10 times more likely to develop blood clots in the brain from having COVID itself rather than from receiving either of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.

Thus, if you genuinely were worried about blood clots, you would get vaccinated. But we all already know that you are not, and you are just grasping at straws to evade personal responsibility.

Get with the program and learn some English literary understanding of the narrative. One is effective and without complication directly related to its use the other does not. Happy reading.

Masks, vaccines, and body armor are all effective and without complication when used correctly, yet only two deal with this thread's topic. So guess which ones those are and why the other would be a non sequitur.
 

he_who_is_nobody

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Even the inventor of one of them says the young shouldn't take it.

mRNA inventor says young adults shouldn't have to get COVID vaccine

It appears that Dr. Robert Malone is not the inventor of mRNA technology. BoganUSAFFLClerk

David Gorski said:
Although I don’t know for sure, I think that this particular conspiracy theory originated with Dr. Robert Malone. Perhaps you’ve heard of him. He’s a scientist who’s made a name for himself in crank circles by claiming to be the “inventor of mRNA vaccines”. He isn’t, as far as I can tell, although that doesn’t stop him from ranting about how his contributions to the vaccine are “being erased from Wikipedia” for going against orthodoxy on COVID-19 and mRNA vaccines against the disease. Amusingly, it appears that his wife got busted editing his Wikipedia entry under the ‘nym Glasspool1 and that there were a lot of other suspicious edits to his entry, leading Wikipedia editors to take action to put the kibosh on this attempt to use Wikipedia for self-promotion.

I am sorry I did not research this thoroughly before posting. In addition:

David Gorski said:
Unfortunately, efforts of antivaxxers to target insular communities like the Orthodox Jews in Brooklyn are nothing new. I’ve been writing about them a while, including a study of a measles outbreak in 2013 and how much it cost to contain. Worse, the efforts of antivaxxers like Del Bigtree and Larry Palevsky were bolstered by an antivaccine Rabbi named Hillel Handler, who invoked their religious authority to bolster the misinformation being spread by antivaxxers. Also, given the nature of the community, a lot of the misinformation was spread very much in an old school manner, by flyers and booklets, such as the ones spread by Parents Educating and Advocating for Children’s Health (PEACH).

Why did I start this post by recounting this unfortunate history? Simple. Past is prologue, and history repeats, as we’ve seen time and time again, or, as I like to put it, in the age of the COVID-19 pandemic and antivaxxers, everything old is new again. The same thing is happening now, in the age of the COVID-19 pandemic. Added to the list of previous players are new antivaxxers, quacks, and grifters who have risen to prominence over the last year and a half, like “the inventor of mRNA vaccines” Dr. Robert Malone, a man who thinks that he’s being “erased” from Wikipedia after his wife was caught editing his Wikipedia entry. This time, though, he’s been recruited to spread fear of COVID-19 vaccines, in particular the mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines, among the Orthodox Jews of Brooklyn and proudly announced his apparent “success” on Twitter the other day:
 

BoganUSAFFLClerk

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Where did I say that everybody everywhere is using reusable? Beyond that, how much harder is it to wash a reusable mask than washing your underwear. Perhaps you find that to be difficult, but most adults do not. In addition, you are just reporting your confirmation bias as if it were a fact.
You didn't address the reasons why it is more convenient: Forgetting your reusable mask at home and driving home simply to conduct your business is certainly harder than simply not wearing one or simply using the free disposable ones correct?

You have just dismissed it out of hand so you don't have to address it. It is a simple fact that using something that is free and available where you are is simply more convenient compared to say having yet another thing to keep track of and take care of.
Forgot the orientation? I also do not see how one gets any more germs than putting their hands in their pocket and touching their face afterward. However, if one does not eat out and wears a mask in public, this is not a problem. Amazing that you have to add something already risky to your fantasy about masks to get extra germs on them.
Do you wear your hand on your face when you cough? You cough while wearing a mask correct? You cough into your elbow/arm pit yes? Apples to Oranges. If we are going to nit pick masks then lets nit pick about safety. Less exposure to your germs on your hands provided you aren't a simpleton compared to wearing a mask and then handling said mask.

Yes people eat out and wear masks also they don't wear masks and eat out. If we are again going to argue which is theoretically safer then the argument has to be made. It is extra contact which means more germs. The entire argument about masks is that you have LESS exposure to Covid germs correct? Seems ridiculous to contest this based on these facts.
Again, you put forth your confirmation bias as a fact. Just because you are lazy and selfish does not mean others are.
Do you think the majority of people are lazy? I think the vast majority of people are lazy. Do you think they are lazy enough to take masks provided for them for free in businesses? I think they are. Do you see people use said masks in public? I certainly do although I see more people do NOT wear any type of mask. When I do see mask wearing people I see them use provided FREE masks. Make sense?
Learn from what? Your fearmongering? If you had anything, you would share the evidence for it instead of made-up stories as you have been.
Are you contesting that the vaccine can cause blood blots? Yes or No? If so then that is a clear unwillingness to learn as there are many sources stating blood clots from taking the vaccine are known and even known to the CDC the same people who recommend them. Taking the vaccine does not mean you are safe.
You did not read your citation, now did you? The article says that Dr. Robert Malone does not think children should get vaccinated because the risk of them getting deathly sick is so tiny, not that the vaccine is dangerous. Yet another example of your empty bag when it comes to not getting vaccinated or wearing a mask.
Perfect except I NEVER argued this.

Cite my statement where I argued the inventor said you shouldn't take the vaccine due to risks of the vaccination.

I only stated that even the inventor thinks young people shouldn't take the vaccine and then posted a citation - I didn't say why. You know what they say about assuming.

Later on I argue that the vaccine is dangerous due to risk of blood clots citing 6k new cases of blood clots. I think you are conflating sources and reasoning.
Again, I doubt that.
Literally work for a range and a Federal Firearm Licensee. I sell firearms. I teach firearms. I handle firearms. This is what I enjoy and get paid to do.
So you have health insurance now because of the Affordable Care Act, which Don Corona tried to repeal and replace (and failed). Got it.
He vowed to get rid of the mandate. He did in fact get rid of the fact that you have to pay if you opt out of Obamacare. I had to 600 a year in order to NOT get covered. Not the case anymore.
Yeah, but having the source come from a less than honest interlocutor kind of does.
Primary source is from CDC.
Again, claims made without evidence can and will be dismissed without evidence. Beyond that, It is cute that you still think anyone believes you work around firearms.

20210501_211225.jpg 20210405_162839.jpg Exploded round in store.jpg IMG_20210610_185629379.jpg Accuracy Drill.jpg

Pretty obvious that I do.

Great, and no one would argue otherwise. 'Tis why this is a non sequitur. Body armor can be more effective at stopping bullets than masks are at preventing the spread of a respiratory illness, and both would still be smart to wear based on the circumstance.
Yes which I argued that masks are inappropriate given the examples I already gave and yet you still are having a stroke that I even state that one shouldn't wear a mask at a gun range.
From your source:



Thus, if you genuinely were worried about blood clots, you would get vaccinated. But we all already know that you are not, and you are just grasping at straws to evade personal responsibility.
Vaccinations tend to mean that you contract Covid not prevent you from getting it.
Masks, vaccines, and body armor are all effective and without complication when used correctly, yet only two deal with this thread's topic. So guess which ones those are and why the other would be a non sequitur.
Already covered this.
 

BoganUSAFFLClerk

Active Member

Supreme Court just gutted President Biden's private sector vaccine mandate.

  • The high court ruled 6-3 against the Occupational Safety and Health Administration's (OSHA) employer mandate, blocking it from taking effect while other legal challenges play out.
The Supreme Court's ruling is a victory for trade associations that sued to block the vaccine-or-test requirement, which would cover more than 80 million workers.

  • Key components of the mandate went into effect Monday, including a workplace mask requirement for unvaccinated workers, before the Supreme Court blocked the rule and sent it back to a lower court on Thursday.

My Reaction:
 

he_who_is_nobody

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You didn't address the reasons why it is more convenient: Forgetting your reusable mask at home and driving home simply to conduct your business is certainly harder than simply not wearing one or simply using the free disposable ones correct?

Correct.

You have just dismissed it out of hand so you don't have to address it. It is a simple fact that using something that is free and available where you are is simply more convenient compared to say having yet another thing to keep track of and take care of.

I do not find it hard to keep track of taking a mask with me. As an adult, I can dress myself; perhaps that is what you find difficult.

Do you wear your hand on your face when you cough?

Nope. I do not wear my hand on my face ever. Is English your second tongue?

You cough while wearing a mask correct?

Correct. 'Tis the point.

You cough into your elbow/arm pit yes?

Yes. So that I do not spread germs to objects and others. However, wearing a mask does this better.

If we are going to nit pick masks then lets nit pick about safety. Less exposure to your germs on your hands provided you aren't a simpleton compared to wearing a mask and then handling said mask.

This says more about you. I guess I am not a simpleton and can wear a mask without touching it. But, again, I am an adult, so this might be your problem.

Yes people eat out and wear masks also they don't wear masks and eat out. If we are again going to argue which is theoretically safer then the argument has to be made. It is extra contact which means more germs. The entire argument about masks is that you have LESS exposure to Covid germs correct? Seems ridiculous to contest this based on these facts.

What facts? So far, you have just made several statements. I see no facts. Again, explain how a mask gets more germs while eating out. It appears that someone in an indoor space without a mask (eating or not) is the real cause for concern in that situation.

Do you think the majority of people are lazy?

No.

I think the vast majority of people are lazy.

That says more about you than it does about anyone else.

Do you think they are lazy enough to take masks provided for them for free in businesses? I think they are.

Thus, based on your prejudice of other people, you state this premise. I would agree that if someone forgot their mask, they would take one for free. However, I would also think that people who refuse to wear masks would have to put one on to enter a building that refuses to do business with someone who lacks personal responsibility. Neither of those demonstrates that people are lazy.

Do you see people use said masks in public?

Not much. Where I live, most people have reusable masks. However, this is just me sharing an anecdote with you. We cannot gain much information from it since neither of us has been systematic about our observations.

I certainly do although I see more people do NOT wear any type of mask. When I do see mask wearing people I see them use provided FREE masks. Make sense?

Yes. You explained your anecdote, and since you have such an ax to grind against masks, I am sure confirmation bias skewed your observation. Bold claim on my part, right? I will back that one up with a comment you make later in your post.

Are you contesting that the vaccine can cause blood blots? Yes or No? If so then that is a clear unwillingness to learn as there are many sources stating blood clots from taking the vaccine are known and even known to the CDC the same people who recommend them. Taking the vaccine does not mean you are safe.

Yes, I knew the Johnson & Johnson vaccine caused blood clots. That is old news. However, look at how you are framing this. You keep saying vaccine when we know it is specific to the Johnson & Johnson vaccine and not the two mRNA vaccines in the US. We also know (from your source) that one is eight to ten times more likely to develop blood clots from The CoViD than the mRNA vaccines. So, again, if you were concerned about blood clots, you would get an mRNA vaccine. But instead, you would rather fearmonger to evade your personal responsibility.

Perfect except I NEVER argued this.

Cite my statement where I argued the inventor said you shouldn't take the vaccine due to risks of the vaccination.

I only stated that even the inventor thinks young people shouldn't take the vaccine and then posted a citation - I didn't say why. You know what they say about assuming.

Alright. I did overstate your case there. However, I find it funny that you still state Dr. Robert Malone is the inventor of the mRNA technology right under a post from me dedicated to exposing that lie.

Later on I argue that the vaccine is dangerous due to risk of blood clots citing 6k new cases of blood clots. I think you are conflating sources and reasoning.

Remember when I said I was going to expose confirmation bias from you? I also find it funny that you think I am conflating sources.

You claimed here that there are 6k new cases of blood clots, yet none of your citations state that. This source (Robert Carlson) says, "UPDATE #2: As of 6:30 PM CT on July 21, 2021, the CDC's website stated through July 19, 2021, VAERS had received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. The CDC's webpage's Last Update date reflects July 21, 2021." It does not say anything about blood clots and goes on to state, "Furthermore, a review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines, says the CDC." So what we have are 6,207 deaths of people after getting a vaccine and nothing establishing that they died from the vaccine.

Now, if we look at your other source (Josh Jarman), "As of early December, more than 16.9 million doses of the J&J's vaccine have been given in the U.S. Of those, the CDC and FDA identified 57 confirmed reports of people who later developed TTS." So, we have 57 cases of blood clots. So we do not have 6k cases of blood clots; we have 57.

Thus, we have 6k cases of people dying after being vaccinated, but nothing linking the vaccine to death. Now, to be charitable to you, I look at this and see your confirmation bias at work. You did a quick Google search, found two article headlines that you thought went into your favor, skimmed them, and got them mixed up in your head—remembering the hits and forgetting the misses. If you misremembered this information this badly, what are the chances that you remember the mask habits of people around you?

Literally work for a range and a Federal Firearm Licensee. I sell firearms. I teach firearms. I handle firearms. This is what I enjoy and get paid to do.

Again, I doubt that.

He vowed to get rid of the mandate.

Don Corona vowed that after failing to follow through with this campaign promise to repeal and replace.

Primary source is from CDC.

Incorrect. Your primary source for this specific claim was you since you claimed to wear this. If you cannot keep this simple exchange in order, why would anyone trust that you can recall the mask-wearing habits of others? Pathetic.

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Pretty obvious that I do.

Pretty obvious that you are taking photos from Instagram. Sad.

Yes which I argued that masks are inappropriate given the examples I already gave and yet you still are having a stroke that I even state that one shouldn't wear a mask at a gun range.

Wrong. I never commented on your example; you had that discussion with *SD*. I did not comment on that because it seems evident that you do not work at one, thus pointless to converse about it with you. But, if you cannot keep track of this simple exchange, what is the likelihood that you can remember the mask-wearing habits of others?

Vaccinations tend to mean that you contract Covid not prevent you from getting it.

Wrong.

Already covered this.

Very poorly.
 

BoganUSAFFLClerk

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I do not find it hard to keep track of taking a mask with me. As an adult, I can dress myself; perhaps that is what you find difficult.
Other people have different REQUIREMENTS in their life as I am sure you are aware but fail to realize.
Nope. I do not wear my hand on my face ever. Is English your second tongue?
Don't play dumb. You know exactly what the context and why I said this. Being purposefully descriptive to illustrate a point and you splitting comments out of context is precisely why I am not going to bother with this crap anymore. It is clear that you have no intention to even remotely seek out what others are saying and why. Not even remotely here in good faith.
 

BoganUSAFFLClerk

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Oh Lordy lordy how dangerous!

Oh look covid numbers rising in U.K. even though the vaccination rate is high and mask mandates are in effect. Regardless of restrictions and yet Covid is still being caught and spread.
 

he_who_is_nobody

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Other people have different REQUIREMENTS in their life as I am sure you are aware but fail to realize.

And reasonable accommodations can be made for them.

Don't play dumb. You know exactly what the context and why I said this.

I know what you are saying but I do not understand why you said it like that. Seems a bit off.

Being purposefully descriptive to illustrate a point and you splitting comments out of context is precisely why I am not going to bother with this crap anymore. It is clear that you have no intention to even remotely seek out what others are saying and why. Not even remotely here in good faith.

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BoganUSAFFLClerk

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And reasonable accommodations can be made for them.
That doesn't have any common or useful meaning. What is and what is not reasonable is SUBJECTIVE. Just because you say something is reasonable doesn't mean that is the case.
I know what you are saying but I do not understand why you said it like that. Seems a bit off.
Sure you don't.
You got that backwards. Other people leave (this forum) I do not.
 

he_who_is_nobody

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Oh, look at that. You are already back. I thought you said you were taking your ball and going home? Well, since you are back, it would behoove you to address the enormous error I pointed out in this post. Otherwise, it appears you are just running from a colossal mistake and hoping no one else will notice it.

That doesn't have any common or useful meaning. What is and what is not reasonable is SUBJECTIVE. Just because you say something is reasonable doesn't mean that is the case.

Yet reasonable accommodations are made all the time in both school and the workplace.

Sure you don't.

I do not.

You got that backwards. Other people leave (this forum) I do not.

This is just the type of comment I would expect from a faithless antagonist. In addition, the above makes your tone policing in this comment that much more hilarious!
 
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