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arg-fallbackName=")O( Hytegia )O("/>
Memeticemetic said:
Have you even seen a fucking HYPOTHESIS for Creation Science?!
Meh. Science allows it to be called a Hypothesis.
Then again, what conjecture CAN'T be called a hypothesis? Hypothesis is a very fancy word for "thought" or "idea" in the scientific method.
I hypothesize that Chuck Norris created the universe in the 1970s with a roundhouse kick to Bruce Lee's face. The resulting impact created the universe.
Too bad I have no evidence or testable data to support this hypothesis.
 
arg-fallbackName="Balstrome"/>
That is the major problem with all religions, you are not allowed to look behind the curtain.

I have asked religious folk, if they have ever wonder how their gods/avatars did their magic tricks (that been an offensive term for some reason) and they admit that they have never even given it a thought. One would think that knowing how these things where done, would bring a greater understanding of their gods and belief systems.

For me, I have always questioned how these magics where done. For example, what would the ingredients be of health or mana potion, that one uses in say Diablo II? Or where did Mohammed put his legs, in front or behind the winged horse that he rode to heaven and back? How about the lift capabilities of Mo's winged horse, did it have a max limit, and was that all generated by the wings or was there some other special ability not mentioned in the story?

How can you not want to know these things?
 
arg-fallbackName=")O( Hytegia )O("/>
Balstrome said:
That is the major problem with all religions, you are not allowed to look behind the curtain.

I have asked religious folk, if they have ever wonder how their gods/avatars did their magic tricks (that been an offensive term for some reason) and they admit that they have never even given it a thought. One would think that knowing how these things where done, would bring a greater understanding of their gods and belief systems.

For me, I have always questioned how these magics where done. For example, what would the ingredients be of health or mana potion, that one uses in say Diablo II? Or where did Mohammed put his legs, in front or behind the winged horse that he rode to heaven and back? How about the lift capabilities of Mo's winged horse, did it have a max limit, and was that all generated by the wings or was there some other special ability not mentioned in the story?

How can you not want to know these things?


Summary of an Old Nephy conversation (minus the bullshitting):
Neph: "The Bible is 100% scientific." *Rant rant*
Me: "So, how did Jesus walk on Water and rise from the dead?"
Neph: "Miracles." *Rant rant*
Me: "You know - if something has a hole that must be covered by Miracles and Magic, then it can't be scientific - right?"
Neph: *SUBJECT CHANGE AND RANT*

I swear, Neph should try out for "Dancing With The Stars." He would take the cake.
He's a fucking pro at that, you know.
 
arg-fallbackName="Balstrome"/>
)O( Hytegia )O( said:
Summary of an Old Nephy conversation (minus the bullshitting):
Neph: "The Bible is 100% scientific." *Rant rant*
Me: "So, how did Jesus walk on Water and rise from the dead?"
Neph: "Miracles." *Rant rant*
Me: "You know - if something has a hole that must be covered by Miracles and Magic, then it can't be scientific - right?"
Neph: *SUBJECT CHANGE AND RANT*

The problem here, I think is you did not explain and push what you meant by How. Yes, it's a long process describing the steps that Jesus and his body would have to take to be able to walk on water. You would need to cover things such as gravity, water surface tension, speed of movement, energy consumption and application, and on to really weird stuff like generation of anti-gravity field on the souls of the feet, the express of this field and it's balance across the surface of the water, along with the management of inertia.

It's no wonder they shout miracles as if that answers everything.
 
arg-fallbackName="kenandkids"/>
)O( Hytegia )O( said:
Meh. Science allows it to be called a Hypothesis.
Then again, what conjecture CAN'T be called a hypothesis? Hypothesis is a very fancy word for "thought" or "idea" in the scientific method.
I hypothesize that Chuck Norris created the universe in the 1970s with a roundhouse kick to Bruce Lee's face. The resulting impact created the universe.
Too bad I have no evidence or testable data to support this hypothesis.

Nope, creationists even fail here.

What makes a statement a scientific hypothesis, rather than just an interesting speculation? A scientific hypothesis must meet 2 requirements:

A scientific hypothesis must be testable, and;
A scientific hypothesis must be falsifiable.
 
arg-fallbackName=")O( Hytegia )O("/>
Balstrome said:
)O( Hytegia )O( said:
Summary of an Old Nephy conversation (minus the bullshitting):
Neph: "The Bible is 100% scientific." *Rant rant*
Me: "So, how did Jesus walk on Water and rise from the dead?"
Neph: "Miracles." *Rant rant*
Me: "You know - if something has a hole that must be covered by Miracles and Magic, then it can't be scientific - right?"
Neph: *SUBJECT CHANGE AND RANT*

The problem here, I think is you did not explain and push what you meant by How. Yes, it's a long process describing the steps that Jesus and his body would have to take to be able to walk on water. You would need to cover things such as gravity, water surface tension, speed of movement, energy consumption and application, and on to really weird stuff like generation of anti-gravity field on the souls of the feet, the express of this field and it's balance across the surface of the water, along with the management of inertia.

It's no wonder they shout miracles as if that answers everything.

I did. I just edited out all the fun stuff.
kenandkids said:
Nope, creationists even fail here.

What makes a statement a scientific hypothesis, rather than just an interesting speculation? A scientific hypothesis must meet 2 requirements:

A scientific hypothesis must be testable, and;
A scientific hypothesis must be falsifiable.
That is a Theory, I do believe - except that you're referring to the "Evidence" being Testable and Falsifiable.
A Hypothesis is simply an idea for how something works. An educated guess of some sort, as to why something happened. It does not necessarily mean that it can turn through and substantiate.

I could use Philosophical ideals to bring about Hypothesis over anything - the technology may not exist at the time to explain it, but it can still be a hypothesis.
 
arg-fallbackName="kenandkids"/>
)O( Hytegia )O( said:
That is a Theory, I do believe - except that you're referring to the "Evidence" being Testable and Falsifiable.
A Hypothesis is simply an idea for how something works. An educated guess of some sort, as to why something happened. It does not necessarily mean that it can turn through and substantiate.

I could use Philosophical ideals to bring about Hypothesis over anything - the technology may not exist at the time to explain it, but it can still be a hypothesis.

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A scientific hypothesis must be testable, a theory is what it becomes after testing. Do you need a primer in the scientific method? A philosophical hypothesis is a guess, not a scientific one.
 
arg-fallbackName=")O( Hytegia )O("/>
kenandkids said:
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A scientific hypothesis must be testable, a theory is what it becomes after testing. Do you need a primer in the scientific method? A philosophical hypothesis is a guess, not a scientific one.

I'm pretty sure that you might have gotten this one wrong, mate.
A Theory is a conclusion that can be drawn based upon supporting Data and Evidence after extensive testing.

For example -
I see a hot blonde drive her Corvette by my window every Monday.
The Theory I can draw from that is that she has either a job to do, or that she has a regular attendance that requires her to drive past the window every Monday - and that she will drive by next Monday.
*She drives by next Monday*
*BAM*
Explanation of an occurrence with predictable future results.

I'll have to review my definition of Hypothesis later - my take on the Scientific Method has been challenged, and therefore I must take care to check up on my terms.
 
arg-fallbackName="kenandkids"/>
)O( Hytegia )O( said:
I'm pretty sure that you might have gotten this one wrong, mate.
A Theory is a conclusion that can be drawn based upon supporting Data and Evidence after extensive testing.

For example -
I see a hot blonde drive her Corvette by my window every Monday.
The Theory I can draw from that is that she has either a job to do, or that she has a regular attendance that requires her to drive past the window every Monday - and that she will drive by next Monday.
*She drives by next Monday*
*BAM*
Explanation of an occurrence with predictable future results.

I'll have to review my definition of Hypothesis later - my take on the Scientific Method has been challenged, and therefore I must take care to check up on my terms.

A hypothesis is an idea or proposition that can be tested by observations or experiments, about the natural world. In order to be considered scientific, hypotheses are subject to scientific evaluation and must be falsifiable, which means that they are worded in such a way that they can be proven to be incorrect.
http://sci.waikato.ac.nz/evolution/Theories.shtml


edit: By the way, you just described an hypothesis, not a theory. Your hypothesis would not make it to theory because it does not take into account alternate explanations and you did nothing to test it. Perhaps she noticed you looking and simply drives around the block knowing you'll be watching.
 
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