Collecemall
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Quick note to start. I realize I'm new here so I hope my posts are not becoming annoying. If they do someone let me know and I'll limit them or stop.
Today's fun comes from a friend of mine who is a science denier of all kinds. He's a Fundamentalist Christian who does what his pastor and Fox News tells him like every good 'Murican should. He posted some tripe about global warming mainly as an excuse to slam Obama and said that "Evolution and global warming use the same evidence gathering techniques. Manipulation and predictions have replaced empirical evidence. We no longer test hypothesis, we vote on them and shun those in the minority or those who we can make believe they are the minority."
Poor guy he's always being persecuted. /sarcasm
My only reply was to say that I don't know much about climate science but I don't see how people can deny it. That it seems logical to me that if you burn 4.5 billion years worth of carbon stores in 200 years and cut down 3/4 of the world's forests that absorb CO2 at the same time all the while exponentially increasing population and resource use indefinitely that bad shit is likely to happen at some point.
Here's his reply.
I know #6 is just plain false. I suspect he thinks #3 is because scientists weren't smart enough to work at McDonald's so they signed up for Ph D's instead but I'm sure some of you have seen this before and can tell me where they get this from #5 is a political statement and has no basis in science. So I guess I'm looking for somewhere I can find info to show him he's wrong about 1,2,4. Assuming he's wrong. I've never seen him be right about anything to do with science before. I asked for a source. Usually he sends me stuff from AIG or apologetics press. So we'll see if he sends me anything entertaining.
Do any of you know enough to help me and/or point me to sources that talk about this in terms a layman such as me can understand but are decent sources so he can't complain that I'm going to some left wing propaganda?
I'd like to see a survey done that shows the correlation between creationist and climate change deniers. Think that correlation would be extremely high?
Thanks!
Today's fun comes from a friend of mine who is a science denier of all kinds. He's a Fundamentalist Christian who does what his pastor and Fox News tells him like every good 'Murican should. He posted some tripe about global warming mainly as an excuse to slam Obama and said that "Evolution and global warming use the same evidence gathering techniques. Manipulation and predictions have replaced empirical evidence. We no longer test hypothesis, we vote on them and shun those in the minority or those who we can make believe they are the minority."
Poor guy he's always being persecuted. /sarcasm
My only reply was to say that I don't know much about climate science but I don't see how people can deny it. That it seems logical to me that if you burn 4.5 billion years worth of carbon stores in 200 years and cut down 3/4 of the world's forests that absorb CO2 at the same time all the while exponentially increasing population and resource use indefinitely that bad shit is likely to happen at some point.
Here's his reply.
mark said:Since this is about climate change, I'll stick to that subject. Here are some facts that are conveniently ignored:
1. The Earth has been hotter. It got hotter without man made interference in the past so it is conceivable that it got hotter without in this latest trend (even though the trend appears to be reversing itself).
2. Temperature records have only been kept for 150 years or so which is infinitesimal amount of time compared to whichever creation theory you subscribe to. A 30 year period is a substantial time period for 150 years but not in light of thousands or millions of years.
3. Records used to be kept mostly in rural areas. Now they are kept in mostly suburban areas. Asphalt traps heat. A concentration of asphalt does have a significant affect on temperature readings. They actually refer to the phenomenon as a "heat canopy."
4. Predictions aren't lining up with reality. Even though they are constantly wrong, we keep using the same, climate change friendly, models from which to base or predictions for hurricanes, tornadic activity, receding ice caps, flooding, wildfires, etc...
5. Sticking our heads in the sand and allowing catastrophic legislation to exponentially raise energy prices to combat a theory that has so many holes would be the real travesty. We're talking about freezing our elderly and poor.
6. Carbon hasn't been proven to be a green house gas. It is assumed.
I know #6 is just plain false. I suspect he thinks #3 is because scientists weren't smart enough to work at McDonald's so they signed up for Ph D's instead but I'm sure some of you have seen this before and can tell me where they get this from #5 is a political statement and has no basis in science. So I guess I'm looking for somewhere I can find info to show him he's wrong about 1,2,4. Assuming he's wrong. I've never seen him be right about anything to do with science before. I asked for a source. Usually he sends me stuff from AIG or apologetics press. So we'll see if he sends me anything entertaining.
Do any of you know enough to help me and/or point me to sources that talk about this in terms a layman such as me can understand but are decent sources so he can't complain that I'm going to some left wing propaganda?
I'd like to see a survey done that shows the correlation between creationist and climate change deniers. Think that correlation would be extremely high?
Thanks!