Can't fix health care, this cookie is too delicious

[ArthurWilborn]

http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20101123/CGY_government_health_101123/20101123/?hub=CalgaryHome

 

[Prolescum]

Er...?

 

[ArthurWilborn]

A ringer was brought in for a half-million dollars a year to fix long waits at emergency rooms. Unable to actually fix the problem, he said something stupid but inoffensive to the press. This got him fired and eligible to collect his six-figure severance package. Oh-so-efficient government health care at work!

 

[Prolescum]

...and in other news, air is breathable.

 

[Gnomesmusher]

OMG! This clearly means gov'ment run health care is a sham!!

 

[Aught3]

I don't know, a guy was brought in to do a job. He didn't do it and got fired - big deal.

 

[ArthurWilborn]

I don't know, a guy was brought in to do a job. He didn't do it and got fired - big deal.

He didn't do it because he couldn't do it; the job he was asked to do was impossible.

 

[lrkun]

I don't know, a guy was brought in to do a job. He didn't do it and got fired - big deal.

He didn't do it because he couldn't do it; the job he was asked to do was impossible.

How do you know it's impossible?

 

[Gnomesmusher]

Because he didn't do it! See? Logic!

 

[lrkun]

Because he didn't do it! See? Logic!

If I didn't brush my teeth, does it mean it's impossible to do brush my teeth?

If I didn't type this, does it mean it's impossible for me to type?

 

[Gnomesmusher]

Because he didn't do it! See? Logic!

If I didn't brush my teeth, does it mean it's impossible to do brush my teeth?

It's only possible if you do it in a circular fashion. Much like logic.

 

[lrkun]

It's only possible if you do it in a circular fashion. Much like logic.

Well, it's based on your premise: "Because he didn't do it, it's impossible."

It's more like the premise does not fit the conclusion. It's not circular. Hehe

Here's a circular logic ex.

Only bad theists believe in the story of creation, knowing that a lot of bad theists do is a proof of this.

 

[ArthurWilborn]

He didn't do it because he couldn't do it; the job he was asked to do was impossible.

How do you know it's impossible?

He was unable to address the fundamental underlying issue; a lack of funding. He couldn't reduce the costs; he's a government stooge, not a scientist. He couldn't get more money assigned; that was the solution his prescence was intended to avoid. He couldn't convince the doctors or nurses to work for less. He couldn't reduce staff; that would only created further shortages.

 

[Gnomesmusher]

It's only possible if you do it in a circular fashion. Much like logic.

Well, it's based on your premise: "Because he didn't do it, it's impossible."

It's more like the premise does not fit the conclusion. It's not circular. Hehe

Here's a circular logic ex.

Only bad theists believe in the story of creation, knowing that a lot of bad theists do is a proof of this.

Ah thanks for clarifying. So is there a name for the type of fallacy I was trying to jokingly convey here?

 

[ArthurWilborn]

Well, it's based on your premise: "Because he didn't do it, it's impossible."

It's more like the premise does not fit the conclusion. It's not circular. Hehe

Here's a circular logic ex.

Only bad theists believe in the story of creation, knowing that a lot of bad theists do is a proof of this.

Ah thanks for clarifying. So is there a name for the type of fallacy I was trying to jokingly convey here?

Ah, my old friend the strawman. Nope, see above.

 

[Gnomesmusher]

Ah, my old friend the strawman. Nope, see above.

Uh what? I wasn't talking to you nor did any of my previous posts make any arguments on your behalf (Hell, you barely said anything on the subject), strawman or not. I was fucking joking around.

 

[Aught3]

Ah thanks for clarifying. So is there a name for the type of fallacy I was trying to jokingly convey here?

Yeah it's circular reasoning also known as begging the question.

Often hard to spot, here's an example -

All abortions are murders.
Therefore, abortion is morally wrong.

Seems like a reasonable argument so how has it begged the question?

 

[lrkun]

Ah thanks for clarifying. So is there a name for the type of fallacy I was trying to jokingly convey here?

It is "non sequitur". It's latin for: it does not follow.

This is so because the premise does not support the conclusion or does not seem to be connected in any manner. Because if he didn't do it, it doesn't mean it is impossible. A hidden enthymeme didn't show itself.

 

[Gnomesmusher]

I think Aught is correct here, I'm sure it's circular reasoning.

 

[lrkun]

I think Aught is correct here, I'm sure it's circular reasoning.

Okay. That leaves me as the person who disagrees with the two of you. ^^

If a dog barks, then A is a cat. <-- non sequitur

If he doesn't do it, then it's impossible. <-- non sequitur

or in your own words

because he didn't do it, it's impossible.

It does not follow because someone else might be able to do it. Therefore, it might be possible. ^^

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It's formally known as the fallacy of the undistributed middle.