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Born under the Sign of Orion.

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"What's your sign?" used to be a bane of party conversations before I became an Orion. The antique notion that rocks and gas balls in space would care about one's birthday strikes most rationalists as having a disproportionate sense of self-importance. Orion is a counter-offensive. Call it a little white lie, setting the hook, having a wind-up, or whatever. It provides a clean escape from an awkward, if inevitable, conversation which, as an Orion, becomes entirely predictable.

The next question will be, "When is your birthday?"

"February 30th"

"So, that's in Pisces?" hearing late February but missing the mythical "30th" entirely. Not to worry. We'll catch up.

"No, February 30th is in Orion. I'm an Orion. February 30th is a rare date, rarer than February 29th which occurs every four years. February 30th takes place every 114 years. The year I was born was the last time it happened, and of the 367 days that year, I was born on February 30th. I can explain if you know about February 29th."

They know about it, but not why it happens. In any case review the Earth orbiting the Sun in approximately 365.25 days, pointing out that it's not exactly 365.25 days, but a little more. Of course it's really a little less, so rare leap years will skip February 29th, but reality needs to take a break and this tale needs an extra day to get into Orion.

Next is to explain why, out of the 88 astronomically-recognized constellations, 12 make up the zodiac. Be prepared to be shocked if an armchair astrologer knows anything about the plane of the ecliptic. http://cse.ssl.berkeley.edu/lessons/indiv/beth/beth_intro.html

"One's sign is determined by where the sun rises 'in the house of...' various zodiac constellations as the Earth orbits the Sun. Orion [a constellation I picked because it's one of the few non-zodiacal constellations that most people recognize] is in the plane of the ecliptic, but not much of him. Just his left ankle really, and the Sun rises in Orion's ankle on February 30th which is why there are very few of us Orions, but I am one."

Okay, so maybe there's more than one white lie here. Still, this yarn gets one through the astrology portion of an evening on good terms. By establishing oneself in a sign that an armchair astrologer has never heard about, there's nothing more he or she can say concerning an Orion's personality and destiny so it's on to a new, hopefully less inane, topic.

Any more Orions? Memberships are free.
 
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Odd, when ever someone asks me my sign, I tell them I'm a cock, they just look at me funny and walk away. it's worked much better then making something up about an imaginary day.
 
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I just go with Sagittarius, I'm down as a Capricorn but the sun actually was in Sagittarius when I was born. (Procession FTW) I have a friend who believes in astrology, this really winds her up because if there is anything to Astrology then I MUST fit Sagittarius better than I fit Capricorn. This is especially effective if someone thinks I fit Capricorn very well.
Just looking up the "traits" of Sagittarius and Capricorn, there are features from both that fit me quite well, which is strange because the Capricorn that fits me is Pessimism, and the Sagittarius that fits me is Optimism. I can be pessimistic at times and optimistic at others, when I read "pessimism" I think to the things I am pessimistic about, when I read "optimism" I like to think of the things I am optimistic about. Put simply, you can't restrict a persons character to just a few traits.

The fact that which sign the Sun was in, by far the biggest influence in our solar system, has little bearing on the person I am would suggest that the influence of the planets, being minuscule in comparison, must be less than inconsequential.

I have yet to read an honest Horoscope that tells me
Some Astrology Nut said:
Generic and nondescript events may or may not occur to you in the near future.
 
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ThetaOmega said:
Just looking up the "traits" of Sagittarius and Capricorn, there are features from both that fit me quite well, which is strange because the Capricorn that fits me is Pessimism, and the Sagittarius that fits me is Optimism. I can be pessimistic at times and optimistic at others, when I read "pessimism" I think to the things I am pessimistic about, when I read "optimism" I like to think of the things I am optimistic about.
Are you saying that horoscopes make use of our confirmation bias? Oh god, I'm so disillusioned now. ;)
 
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TheFlyingBastard said:
ThetaOmega said:
Just looking up the "traits" of Sagittarius and Capricorn, there are features from both that fit me quite well, which is strange because the Capricorn that fits me is Pessimism, and the Sagittarius that fits me is Optimism. I can be pessimistic at times and optimistic at others, when I read "pessimism" I think to the things I am pessimistic about, when I read "optimism" I like to think of the things I am optimistic about.
Are you saying that horoscopes make use of our confirmation bias? Oh god, I'm so disillusioned now. ;)

Sorry to go all captain-obvious on you, but it's best if these things are broken to you quickly and harshly.
 
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ThetaOmega said:
TheFlyingBastard said:
Are you saying that horoscopes make use of our confirmation bias? Oh god, I'm so disillusioned now. ;)
Sorry to go all captain-obvious on you, but it's best if these things are broken to you quickly and harshly.
In one fell swoop thou hast caused the collapse and ruin of what mine meager mind had thought to be truth.
*puts back of hand to forehead in dramatic fashion*
 
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The plane of the ecliptic is the toughest part of the Orion sell because armchair astrologers know zip about astronomy. The story jumps straight to a year being made up of 365.25 days because very few know why there are leap years. The story's next "leap" to the plane of the ecliptic can be tough for astro-illiterates.

In the past I tried explaining procession, retrograde motion, and that space is three dimensional. (It was two dimensional when astrology was invented.) A waste of breath IMO.

Orion is meant to go with the flow. Armchair astrologers are invested in astro-baloney. Whenever I've offered science, they've turned it down. But serve them Orion baloney and they'll swallow it whole.

The point isn't to teach them anything. The point is to move the conversation past astrology. Sometimes the story itself isn't enough, so at the end I'll redirect their cosmic speech energy toward their friends. "Tell you friends that you met an Orion," I encourage them. "It's like meeting someone who was born in astrological Antarctica."
 
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People in the US genuinely ask you you're star sign? :facepalm: I don't even know what mine is...
You're a strange country, really, aren't you? :)
 
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