Grumpy Santa
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leroy said:Grumpy Santa Premise 2: Is that true? Let's say this God of your does exist. If he creates creatures with "free will", then he doesn't actually know what their future actions will be. If that's the case, he's not omniscient, which is understood to be a property of God. If on the other hand he is omniscient, then he already knows what their future actions will be and free will becomes illusory.
Free will is defined as: The hability to make choices weather if others know what your choices will be in the future is irrelevant. There is no incompatibility between knowing the futer and free choice.
With this said, do you have any other objection with premise 2
Premise 2: If God exist he could have created creatures with free will if he wants
Well yes, actually. The very beginning... "If God exists". You're taking a hypothetical and using that to conclude a fact. You're effectively stating that "If God exists, this could be true, therefore God exists."
For a premise to lead to a conclusion the premise must be demonstrably true. "God" existing has not been demonstrated to be true, therefore the premise is invalid.
I also do not concede the prior argument either. If God created people with free will, I mean truly actual free will, then he cannot be omniscient since he'd already know that persons future choices. The person would have no choice to his choices, they'd be written in future history already. So on this line of thinking there either is either...
1. No actual free will, just a god given illusion of it (which also implies a lack of omnipotence...) because in order to know your future that future would have to be set
2. Free will given by a god that cannot be omniscient