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That underlined part is a straight up Kent Hovind quote.joelmoravek said:That video did it again. All it said was there was an ancient star that exploded from swirling dust and gravity. You scientifically can't tell me where it all came from. It's circular reasoning. So it boils down to this, you believe "in the beginning dirt", and I believe "In the beginning God." God created everything, it's as simple as that. Our universe is to complex to say that it came to be by accident, it needed a designer. God created everything and here we are. It's as simple as that.
Why are there two planets and six moons that we know about that are spinning backwards?
Why are there two planets and six moons that we know about that are spinning backwards?
Grumpy Santa said:Well this quote is... interesting...
Why are there two planets and six moons that we know about that are spinning backwards?
Apparently this is with regards to angular momentum left over from the Big Bang? I wonder if he's just religigurtitating this quote from somewhere without actually giving it any thought... likely I'd say. Apparently he's unaware that localized events can change the spin of things?
Grumpy Santa said:Well this quote is... interesting...
Why are there two planets and six moons that we know about that are spinning backwards?
Apparently this is with regards to angular momentum left over from the Big Bang? I wonder if he's just religigurtitating this quote from somewhere without actually giving it any thought... likely I'd say. Apparently he's unaware that localized events can change the spin of things?
He's getting that too straight from Kent Hovind. "Doctor" Hovind has a clip (debunked a thousand times in youtube) where he talks about how the universe was spinning in the beginning. At the same time he's showing pictures from a text book that is quite clearly talking about the formation of the Solar System. I don't know if he is actually that stupid that he thinks those are the same thing (they might as well be in the creationist model) or if he is actually knowingly dishonest.Rumraket said:Rofl that is some confused mess. He seems to be confusing the origin of the universe, with the formation of the solar sytem.
Joel said:I just want you to know that I am talking to you with respect. But society shows that it has gotten worse in the last 50 years not better.
Claim CE260.1:
If the spin of planets, galaxies, etc., came from the fact that the big bang matter was spinning when it blew up, then the conservation of angular momentum demands that all planets be spinning in the same direction. Since some planets and moons spin in a retrograde motion, the big bang is disproved.
Source:
All About GOD Ministries, 2002. Big bang theory. http://www.big-bang-theory.com/
Response:
The claim is based on so much ignorance and so many misunderstandings that it is hard to know where to begin.
The big bang was not an explosion. Space itself expanded (and is still expanding).
The big bang is quite a different subject from the formation of solar systems. Rotations within the universe are not expected to be related to any rotation of the cosmos. Galaxies probably arose from slightly denser regions of the early universe, which coalesced and combined due to gravitational and viscous interactions. Since these early density fluctuations were apparently random, we expect galaxies to have random orientations. Solar systems within galaxies have still different origins and additional random influences on their orientations.
Conservation of angular momentum doesn't require that everything spin the same way. It requires that a change in spin in one object be compensated for by an opposite change in spin in one or more other objects. Retrograde planets are not a violation of angular momentum because other bodies in the early solar system could account for the compensating spin.
If the big bang were an explosion, we would expect different spins. When something explodes, pieces fly out spinning in all directions.
joelmoravek said:God created everything and here we are. It's as simple as that.