And this is why religion is dangerous

[kittehprimo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YZB3anrZZw

this is why religion is dangerous: it convinces otherwise reasonable people to do unreasonable, monstrous things.

 

[quantumfireball2099]

Fixed.

 

[televator]

I'm sure it'll just be dismissed by theists as a case of mental illness.... oddly enough, I would agree as I consider religion to be a special kind of mental illness.

 

[kittehprimo]

in my uninformed opinion, i would classify religious people (people who follow a religion) as classic examples of doublethink. they can hold contradictory ideas as true at the same time and cannot recognize said contradiction as such.

and thanks for the fix, don't know how i missed the "youtube" button.

 

[Bible Study Boy]

I think it gets crazy when people seek to force their beliefs on others. They do not understand that no one can believe unless God wants them too and there is no reason to get mad at someone because God does not want to save them at the moment. We need to respect others and understand that they only believe what God wants them too. If we are mad at them, we are the same as being mad at God who created them and their beliefs. Do people not understand that God is in complete control. Why fight for God, let God fight for himself and just love everyone whether they agree with us or not. Just the way I see things.

 

[lrkun]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YZB3anrZZw

this is why religion is dangerous: it convinces otherwise reasonable people to do unreasonable, monstrous things.

:/ they really want to believe in fairy tails.

 

[Hedley]

Why the guy is behind bars and mom is free?
Does it make sense?

 

[Laurens]

I would just like to say that someone who kills a baby is probably not otherwise reasonable. Religious or otherwise, I feel it would take a degree of mental instability to do such a thing.

 

[FaithlessThinker]

I would have really bitch-slapped her if I was her boyfriend. Yuk!

"He was limp. His eyes were closed and he was not responsive" ... "I love my son with all my heart."... It doesn't add up. If you love your son so much, you should be rushing him to the hospital, not labeling him as possessed then beating him up.

 

[Master_Ghost_Knight]

I think it gets crazy when people seek to force their beliefs on others. They do not understand that no one can believe unless God wants them too and there is no reason to get mad at someone because God does not want to save them at the moment. We need to respect others and understand that they only believe what God wants them too. If we are mad at them, we are the same as being mad at God who created them and their beliefs. Do people not understand that God is in complete control. Why fight for God, let God fight for himself and just love everyone whether they agree with us or not. Just the way I see things.

Dude. A parent killed his own baby because he taught he was possesed, what does that have to do with anything other than the bitch is crazy?

 

[MRaverz]

I would just like to say that someone who kills a baby is probably not otherwise reasonable. Religious or otherwise, I feel it would take a degree of mental instability to do such a thing.

But would the mental instability have been less dangerous if religious themes had not fuelled the fire?

 

[MRaverz]

I think it gets crazy when people seek to force their beliefs on others. They do not understand that no one can believe unless God wants them too and there is no reason to get mad at someone because God does not want to save them at the moment. We need to respect others and understand that they only believe what God wants them too. If we are mad at them, we are the same as being mad at God who created them and their beliefs. Do people not understand that God is in complete control. Why fight for God, let God fight for himself and just love everyone whether they agree with us or not. Just the way I see things.

Can you prove that?

 

[Laurens]

I would just like to say that someone who kills a baby is probably not otherwise reasonable. Religious or otherwise, I feel it would take a degree of mental instability to do such a thing.

But would the mental instability have been less dangerous if religious themes had not fuelled the fire?

I would say that they probably did make the instability more dangerous, yes.

I was merely objecting the statement that this person was otherwise reasonable (implying that they would be 100% reasonable if not for religion). Reasonable people would not kill babies, religious or otherwise.

 

[lrkun]

@ biblestudyboy

Welcome to the forums.

I respect your belief in God. But, please do not allege that god exists without having anything to back it up. I find it offensive, just like I find it offensive when someone farts inside an elevator.

 

[kittehprimo]

@ biblestudyboy

Welcome to the forums.

I respect your belief in God. But, please do not allege that god exists without having anything to back it up. I find it offensive, just like I find it offensive when someone farts inside an elevator.

i would say the same thing of the user trying to assert that she is not otherwise reasonable. Please, please tell us how exactly you can make that statement? She may be otherwise reasonable, but her religious convictions could have caused her to assault her child. "she's nuts" does not follow from "she thought her child was possessed so she beat him" (unless, of course, you are wiling to concede that faith itself is insanity).

 

[televator]

i would say the same thing of the user trying to assert that she is not otherwise reasonable. Please, please tell us how exactly you can make that statement? She may be otherwise reasonable, but her religious convictions could have caused her to assault her child. "she's nuts" does not follow from "she thought her child was possessed so she beat him" (unless, of course, you are wiling to concede that faith itself is insanity).

Don't think it needs to be full on insanity. Like many other mental illnesses I think it can range in how sever someone is taken by it and/or how well they can manege it.

 

[lrkun]

@ biblestudyboy

Welcome to the forums.

I respect your belief in God. But, please do not allege that god exists without having anything to back it up. I find it offensive, just like I find it offensive when someone farts inside an elevator.

i would say the same thing of the user trying to assert that she is not otherwise reasonable. Please, please tell us how exactly you can make that statement? She may be otherwise reasonable, but her religious convictions could have caused her to assault her child. "she's nuts" does not follow from "she thought her child was possessed so she beat him" (unless, of course, you are wiling to concede that faith itself is insanity).

Welcome to the forums.

What do you mean? Which issue am I to address in your reply? Anyway, since I'm not a mind doctor, I cannot make a diagnosis on her condition. But as a layman, I can conclude that a mother protects their child to the death, and since this person did the opposite, there must be something wrong with her. If it is because of religion, I don't know. :/

 

[SpaceCDT]

a very overt case of Religion as child abuse. Unfortunately religious families won't notice or tend to dismiss the subtle kinds.

 

[kittehprimo]

Welcome to the forums.

What do you mean? Which issue am I to address in your reply? Anyway, since I'm not a mind doctor, I cannot make a diagnosis on her condition. But as a layman, I can conclude that a mother protects their child to the death, and since this person did the opposite, there must be something wrong with her. If it is because of religion, I don't know. :/

good to be here

i should probably have clarified, but i may as well do it here. i use the term insanity to mean any deficiency of reason.

a mother is protective of her child under all circumstances. this predisposition is coded in her dna.

now, what could possibly alter this predisposition? i see only 2 possibilities
1) she has a neurochemical imbalance that prevents her from behaving normally
2) she has a world view that prevents her from behaving normally

as there is no evidence for the former (the only argument you could make would involve a bare assertion), in my mind at least, the latter is likely true.

my point, essentially, is that without expertise and close study of any subject, we have literally no idea whether she was otherwise reasonable or not.

 

[Master_Ghost_Knight]

good to be here

i should probably have clarified, but i may as well do it here. i use the term insanity to mean any deficiency of reason.

a mother is protective of her child under all circumstances. this predisposition is coded in her dna.

now, what could possibly alter this predisposition? i see only 2 possibilities
1) she has a neurochemical imbalance that prevents her from behaving normally
2) she has a world view that prevents her from behaving normally

as there is no evidence for the former (the only argument you could make would involve a bare assertion), in my mind at least, the latter is likely true.

my point, essentially, is that without expertise and close study of any subject, we have literally no idea whether she was otherwise reasonable or not.

This is a rather fine objections you can make.
No here is our side of the story.
We believe that God, the devil and everything supernatural do not exist, it is nothing more than a fabrication.
The fact still remains that she beat her child to death because she believe that it was possesed by demons (which by premiss 1, a pure fabrication). Now her mindset, given that the child was possesed by demons, it is perfectly reasonable to expect that she would try anything to save her child. Had what she taught been truth should have been considered a caring mother.
Had she not be introduce to the concepts of demonic possesion (which has been introduced by religious beliefs), she probably wouldn't have a motive to do what she did and her child would still be alive.

You are correct to say that it wasn't God's fault, but only because God doesn't exist. Now the false belief in the cosmic soup opera surrounding the tales of God is to blame.