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And my parents still don't know....

Nyna

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I recently called my mother to tell her about my experience in Arabic Class. I constantly update her because it's a class I struggle in (since I skipped 101 and went straight to 201 BUT I studied on my own for a time). Anyways, after I told her about it, she asked if I went to church on Sunday. In the past, I've always lied and said I always went to church. But this time I just said no. She asked why not...and I chickened out and just said I was lazy. Waking up that early wasn't really worth it. She said, "That's a shame..." in the most disapproving voice she could fathom and I quickly changed the subject. Now I am kicking myself for not just being honest and telling her than I'm not a Christian anymore and will NEVER go back to church. But this will cause 1 of 2 reactions: Either she'll end the conversation right then and there and spend the rest of the day crying/praying/venting to my father about her fallen child OR the conversation would get reeeeaalllly loud and indignant. I am looking forward to neither but I know the day is coming. I can't hide this forever and shouldn't hide it at all. But I'm emotionally not ready for what will happen. If I think my mother is upset, my sister will flip. She, on the other hand, does not hold her tongue and has yelled and talked down at me in the past when I simply disagreed about how to go about "spreading the word". For her to find out that religion no longer has a place in my life, I wouldn't be surprised if she tried to lay her hands on me.

See, she's the kind of person who thinks that, just because she's gotten away with a lot of sh!t (taken rides from guys that didn't end in a raping, miraculously passed tests, avoided catastrophe by the skin of her teeth, etc...) and that sometimes her prayers came through (fasting til dad finds another job, and when he does, it was the work of God) that she's being looked out for by God (or Gandolf) and to say otherwise only gets her thinking about those scary instances and she gets...pissed. How dare someone think her escapes were merely by chance. She was saved! Someone was watching over her! Someone will always watch over her! And she'll continue to do stupid things...

Anyways...

While, in movies, a negative response might translate as a slap to the face, I figure she'd grab me by the shoulders and shake me repeatedly or push me to the ground, talking down to me and "people like me", and I am not anxious to deal with this either. Partly because I wouldn't tolerate this and her laying her hands on me would result in a very violent fight. Tell me, have you ever had to throw a punch (in DEFENSE) against your own family just to stand up for your right to think and feel whatever you want? If you're here, maybe. But this is not something I thought I'd ever have to do because I've never had cause to irk my sister in such a deep fashion. A few months ago I irked her to the point of name calling, cursing, and manipulation. This is something that will deeply disturb her. What will she do?

Of course there's always the chance that my family will be mature individuals and absorb this information with no trouble at all.

(sigh) Oh God...
 
arg-fallbackName="ImprobableJoe"/>
Make sure you wait until you most likely won't need any more cash from your parents.
 
arg-fallbackName="lrkun"/>
Nyna said:
I recently called my mother to tell her about my experience in Arabic Class. I constantly update her because it's a class I struggle in (since I skipped 101 and went straight to 201 BUT I studied on my own for a time). Anyways, after I told her about it, she asked if I went to church on Sunday. In the past, I've always lied and said I always went to church. But this time I just said no. She asked why not...and I chickened out and just said I was lazy. Waking up that early wasn't really worth it. She said, "That's a shame..." in the most disapproving voice she could fathom and I quickly changed the subject. Now I am kicking myself for not just being honest and telling her than I'm not a Christian anymore and will NEVER go back to church. But this will cause 1 of 2 reactions: Either she'll end the conversation right then and there and spend the rest of the day crying/praying/venting to my father about her fallen child OR the conversation would get reeeeaalllly loud and indignant. I am looking forward to neither but I know the day is coming. I can't hide this forever and shouldn't hide it at all. But I'm emotionally not ready for what will happen. If I think my mother is upset, my sister will flip. She, on the other hand, does not hold her tongue and has yelled and talked down at me in the past when I simply disagreed about how to go about "spreading the word". For her to find out that religion no longer has a place in my life, I wouldn't be surprised if she tried to lay her hands on me.

See, she's the kind of person who thinks that, just because she's gotten away with a lot of sh!t (taken rides from guys that didn't end in a raping, miraculously passed tests, avoided catastrophe by the skin of her teeth, etc...) and that sometimes her prayers came through (fasting til dad finds another job, and when he does, it was the work of God) that she's being looked out for by God (or Gandolf) and to say otherwise only gets her thinking about those scary instances and she gets...pissed. How dare someone think her escapes were merely by chance. She was saved! Someone was watching over her! Someone will always watch over her! And she'll continue to do stupid things...

Anyways...

While, in movies, a negative response might translate as a slap to the face, I figure she'd grab me by the shoulders and shake me repeatedly or push me to the ground, talking down to me and "people like me", and I am not anxious to deal with this either. Partly because I wouldn't tolerate this and her laying her hands on me would result in a very violent fight. Tell me, have you ever had to throw a punch (in DEFENSE) against your own family just to stand up for your right to think and feel whatever you want? If you're here, maybe. But this is not something I thought I'd ever have to do because I've never had cause to irk my sister in such a deep fashion. A few months ago I irked her to the point of name calling, cursing, and manipulation. This is something that will deeply disturb her. What will she do?

Of course there's always the chance that my family will be mature individuals and absorb this information with no trouble at all.

(sigh) Oh God...

Honesty is the best policy, however, in this instance, it's not the case. Keep it to yourself for the moment. And if you wish to tell your parents, do so when:
ImprobableJoe said:
Make sure you wait until you most likely won't need any more cash from your parents.

Keep it real.
 
arg-fallbackName="Nyna"/>
ImprobableJoe said:
Make sure you wait until you most likely won't need any more cash from your parents.

heh, i thought about that. January is when I'll officially be independent. I'll have my degree and that's when I'll start to get bold.
 
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lrkun said:
ImprobableJoe said:
Make sure you wait until you most likely won't need any more cash from your parents.

Keep it real.
Damn right.

In my opinion, it is more appropriate to challenge your parents when you aren't dependent on them. They can make certain demands on you if you're under the "age of majority", and even past that point if you still accept cash from them on a regular basis. Of course, I also don't advocate big ugly confrontations either.
 
arg-fallbackName="Moky"/>
You and I both. My parents don't know because I'm still dependent on them. I expect them to flip a shit, call my grandma, and she'll flip a shit, and then call the rest of my family, in which they will proceed to also flip shits. Except for my cousins, they don't give a shit. Just do what everyone else is saying, don't breathe a word until you don't need them. Wait a bit after you get your degree. I don't know what you're studying, but you might not be able to land a job right away and you might need their help.
 
arg-fallbackName="lrkun"/>
Moky said:
You and I both. My parents don't know because I'm still dependent on them. I expect them to flip a shit, call my grandma, and she'll flip a shit, and then call the rest of my family, in which they will proceed to also flip shits. Except for my cousins, they don't give a shit. Just do what everyone else is saying, don't breathe a word until you don't need them. Wait a bit after you get your degree. I don't know what you're studying, but you might not be able to land a job right away and you might need their help.

It's scary where the thing which binds a family together is an impotent god. According to what you've written, it's the exact opposite of what a christian family ought to be. Where did Christianity go wrong? or better yet, when was it ever right?
 
arg-fallbackName="Moky"/>
Well my family was never close to begin with. We don't have pictures of anyone, even our immediate family, on the walls or anything and we only talk when we have to. It's just my family, not the norm I think.
 
arg-fallbackName="Krazyskooter"/>
Went through this last year. My family members are Fundamental Baptists, and YECs. It got very nasty for a while. You should definately wait until you are on your own before you tell them. Good Luck.
 
arg-fallbackName="lrkun"/>
Stay strong, bear it for the moment, when you're independent, you'll be free.
 
arg-fallbackName="TheFlyingBastard"/>
I see what they mean when people talk about "coming out of the closet as an atheist"...

As ImprobableJoe said, independence first. The rest later. Sure it's not charming or worthy of the movies, but it sure as hell is a lot more practical than being dropped like a sack of potatoes.
 
arg-fallbackName="Zerosix"/>
I would usually advocate being honest. But in this case keeping up the charade seems to be the best policy.

It seems that telling the truth will only hurt your parnets and extended family. But what they don't know will not hurt them.
 
arg-fallbackName="Nyna"/>
Agreed. I'm waiting til I graduate AND have a job good enough to pay rent and bills. I don't know what I'll do until then though. I'm not really crazy about lying in my moms face and I'm sure this'll be brought up again before the year is out. I guess I'll just not drop the beans unless I'm cornered.
 
arg-fallbackName="Zoten001"/>
Just to put in my two cents, it's always a better idea to with hold such information untill you can get out on your own. Though to be fair, sometimes you can't. I certanly wasn't able to. Fortunatly enough the instant that the truth was revealed went off perfectly in my favor. Though I must admit it was like watching a nuke go off....
 
arg-fallbackName="Your Funny Uncle"/>
Crikey. I can't imagine having to "come out" as a non-believer like that. I guess my dad (who was raised a Catholic) had to do it at some point, but knowing what my grandparents were like I can't imagine it being so hostile. One of my best friends at school was the local Vicar's son and his parents were never that way, either. It all makes me happy that I was raised in Britain by non-believers who let me choose my own path. I wish you all the best for when you do spill the beans and I hope that your family is "Christian" enough to accept you for who you are.
 
arg-fallbackName="borrofburi"/>
Nyna said:
ImprobableJoe said:
Make sure you wait until you most likely won't need any more cash from your parents.

heh, i thought about that. January is when I'll officially be independent. I'll have my degree and that's when I'll start to get bold.
Yah, make sure you have a job too though... But that's sweet. I refused to go to church on vacations too early, ended up having a difficult time in college because my mother cut me off because she just "didn't have the money" anymore (fortunately I got a very large amount of financial aid, so being cut off didn't mean as much to me as for many others, still sucked though).
 
arg-fallbackName="FaithlessThinker"/>
For a moment, I thought you're in a muslim family, coz of your mention about arabic classes. Phew, at least that's not the case. And I chuckled at your part about your sister: "It's not chance! Jesus saved me! Oh I love you Jesus! *blinks eyes*"

First off, you've done the right thing in seeking help before you do something dramatic. Religion is still a big issue in this world, and while it's great that you wish to say goodbye to it, one wrong move and you could end up being said goodbye to. I don't mean to scare you but really, you could, depending on what kind of people you're dealing with.

Consider yourself lucky to be living in the world today, because once you're able to stand on your own feet, no-one, not even your parents can bring you down. Think about what it would have been like a couple hundred years ago, you'd probably be burned to stake as a witch. Hehe.

I understand you're still under the care of your parents, so it's best to lay low and sometimes pretend to do things. Especially if your life or living could be in danger for speaking out your position. Keep working on your future, to be able to stand on your own. Study well and get a job. Know the laws of your country (I hope you're not in a muslim country or something). In most secular countries, once you're of a certain legal age, you're free to leave your parents' home and find a place elsewhere, regardless of your income or marital status. Your parents may try to talk you out of that, but a good knowledge of the law books will come in as a strength (I speak from experience). Finally, when you're ready, just find a new place to stay and leave your parents' home.

But whatever you do, never agree to an arranged marriage. Your parents are likely to find the most orthodox guy, and then you're doomed for life with a new parent under the title "husband." Find your own loving, caring atheist husband. If you can't get your parents to agree, run away and get married elsewhere. I know that must be the craziest advice, but sometimes you have to do crazy things to have the life you want.

I usually consider it a hopeless attempt to the revive the older generations from their theistic views and bring them to the light of knowledge, but if your parents by any chance happen to be open-minded, you can attack from within. Instead of getting repelled from bible and all those christian stuff, take deep interest in them and start studying them in great detail. Then question your parents on them, it will force them to study it as well. Mainly you should focus on what's contradictory in the bible, especially what contradicts morality. If God is the perfect moral example, everything he does has to be a moral action. (But watch out when you do this, because the moment they tell you to just accept stuff without questioning them, you'll know they're close minded and they can never be revived.)

One final note: I don't know how crazy your parents can get, but I had experience with certain parents locking up their own adult daughter in the house so that she doesn't leave, even though she's legally allowed to leave home and stay elsewhere. So, always move your plans with caution. If you think your parents can't get so crazy, think twice because that daughter was wrong, and you could be too. You may have to plan everything in secret then run away to your new place, and finally drop them a letter. Do mention about the laws allowing you to leave home, so that they don't attempt to do kidnapping (that almost happened to the above-mentioned daughter too).
 
arg-fallbackName="Dragan Glas"/>
Greetings,

Nyna, I hadn't been to church since I was a teenager: I'd asked a priest in class - in Ireland, the Church (used to) runs education - "If going to church didn't mean anything to you, should you go?" He said, "If it doesn't mean anything to you, then, don't go!". So, I stopped going. My dad wasn't happy about my not going - he asked me why I wouldn't go to church. I told him, "If God's everywhere - including in us - why look for him in a building?" He couldn't answer that!

That was my genuine reason for not going - since then, I've moved to an agnostic position on God. I'm not suggesting that you lie to your mother, but you might consider it a possible starting point, if you wish, after you're "independent". ;)

Kindest regards,

James
 
arg-fallbackName="Controversialize"/>
Start questioning your mother about issues you have with the faith. The unanswerable questions and contradictions with christianity that lead people to questioning the faith. This will get your mother thinking about it and slowly show that you don't believe.

When you do come out and say what you believe make sure you are educated enough about these things to fend off their attacks. Make sure you know exactly what you believe and don't look like a fool! Read the Bible, or just research where you can find strange or controversial things you can bring up and ask them about. It's really easy to find strange stuff in the Bible, it is a crazy book.

When fighting jesus freaks I like to use Matthew 10:35 and Luke 14:26.

"Don't assume that I came to bring peace on the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword"
~Jesus C. Matthew 10:35

"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters - yes even his own life - he cannot be my disciple"
~Jesus C. Luke 14:26

I mean WTF?
 
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