An Indication of the Rise of Creationism in the US...

[Dean]

I was inspired to make this thread after having read some comments in the "test for creationists" thread. I'm sure you'll have seen it.

As you will all know, 40-45% of electorate Americans are creationists/fundamentalists. This is what worries me. Here however, I see some evidence of a so-called "new" and "international" creationist movement, originally brought to my attention by the mirror of it on shockofgod's channel, originally posted by ppsimmons.... you'll see. To be perfectly honest, I'm surprised this vid was as highly rated as it was;

• "Question Evolution"
  

This looks genuine....

So, what was your gut reaction to this? Is it just the same creation apologetics as ever, another representation of their willful ignorance? I don't know...

See y'all.

 

[Inferno]

I've looked at their homepage a bit, especially the 15-Questions PDF. Well worth the read if you've eaten something bad and you want to throw up...
The questions were just as stupid as any other ones you'd see on the web, but one of them made me verbally abuse the computer screen for a minute or so: "WHERE ARE THE SCIENTIFIC BREAKTHROUGHS DUE TO EVOLUTION?"

Are you JOKING? GRRRRRR this makes me mad.

One of the links was awesome though: creation.com/sexstories
Mmmmmmm, juicy? (Sadly, just stupid. )

My conclusion: Just another campaign that will die down soon enough. Let em try, just be sure that we'll fight back. Awesome find on the statistics btw, cheers.

 

[MRaverz]

Creationism rubbish, as per usual.

QUESTION CREATION!

 

[Visaki]

I think it is just what it looks like; A way to milk some cash from the poor indoctrinated people that actually think that PeePee has a point. Not only does he get advertising out there but he actually makes people pay to put his message out.

P.S. "WHERE ARE THE SCIENTIFIC BREAKTHROUGHS DUE TO EVOLUTION?"
Who says there needs to be any?

 

[MRaverz]

I think it is just what it looks like; A way to milk some cash from the poor indoctrinated people that actually think that PeePee has a point. Not only does he get advertising out there but he actually makes people pay to put his message out.

P.S. "WHERE ARE THE SCIENTIFIC BREAKTHROUGHS DUE TO EVOLUTION?"
Who says there needs to be any?

The vast amount of developments in medicine are only done in light of evolution. Flu shots for example, the reason we know we need a new one each year is because the strains of flu evolve.

 

[RigelKentaurusA]

We could always make a "Question Heliocentrism" countercampaign.

 

[Welshidiot]

WHERE ARE THE SCIENTIFIC BREAKTHROUGHS DUE TO EVOLUTION?

WHERE ARE THE SCIENTIFIC BREAKTHROUGHS DUE TO CREATIONISM?

 

[Deleted member 5174]

I think one of the best responses to that "Breakthrough" question would be to compare Evolution with Plate Tectonics.
They certainly wouldn't deny Plate Tectonics (on second thought, I am not so sure anymore).

Sure, our knowledge of Plate Tectonics isn't giving us amazing TV technology or flying us into space (at least on the surface appearance). But Plate Tectonics does help us understand earthquakes among many other geological formations. Plate Tectonics, much like Evolution, can describe "history" as well as make predictions about the future..

Actually, evolution is used in medical fields so it might even be applied more than Plate Tectonics is.

What then, you should ask, is: What does Creationism do for humanity? No, what has it done? And if you ever do disprove evolution, what makes you think Creationism will automatically be true? And again, if evolution is ever disproved, who creates, how does he create, using what, through what processes, what methods, which formulas that you can observe, and how would you find it all out?

I've always come to the same conclusion when regarding most creationists: They are not interested in the honest search for truth nor will endeavor to do so. They are more interested in validating what makes them comfortable, and challenging which makes them not.

 

[Squawk]

Plenty of people perfectly willing to question plate techtonics. The validity or usefulness of a theory has nothing to do with the rejection these idiots are putting forth, they just pick any and all grounds for objection and they don't care if they are valid.

 

[Gunboat Diplomat]

What then, you should ask, is: What does Creationism do for humanity? No, what has it done? And if you ever do disprove evolution, what makes you think Creationism will automatically be true? And again, if evolution is ever disproved, who creates, how does he create, using what, through what processes, what methods, which formulas that you can observe, and how would you find it all out?

Creationism will save your eternal soul. This gives it far more utility than any amount of mortal technology...

It's not that proving evolution false will prove creationism true. It's that your belief in evolution prevents you from seeing the truth of creationism...

I've always come to the same conclusion when regarding most creationists: They are not interested in the honest search for truth nor will endeavor to do so. They are more interested in validating what makes them comfortable, and challenging which makes them not.

This is a mischaracterization of the creationist position. They simply search for truth in a different manner than you do...

 

[kenandkids]

This is a mischaracterization of the creationist position. They simply search for truth in a different manner than you do...

One can dig through ones own faeces on a daily basis in hopes of finding diamonds, that is just mining diamonds differently than rational people do...

 

[Deleted member 5174]

Creationism will save your eternal soul. This gives it far more utility than any amount of mortal technology...

Ironically, those who believe that they have been saved hesitate to go on dangerous endeavors.
But yes, I agree -- since life is dispensable thus, one cannot help but wonder what else could have prevented the 9/11 suicide bombers. Eternal life is sure utilitarian -- you don't have to be afraid of anything except divine judgment, don't you?

It's not that proving evolution false will prove creationism true. It's that your belief in evolution prevents you from seeing the truth of creationism...

What truths? Are you talking about the one where water bursts from the Earth into space?
Or are you talking about the one where a tyrannosaurus and a human walk side-by-side?
Or, are you talking about the Earth forming ex nihilo through breaking the laws of physics (magic)?
I'm struggling to understand the truths. Maybe I'll stop going to the church of evolutionismistology.

This is a mischaracterization of the creationist position. They simply search for truth in a different manner than you do...

Again, what do you mean? You are not specifying anything so I am forced to guess:
Closing one's eyes and thinking to yourself, which somehow is intercepted by your deity of choice?
Or going to Bible Seminars hosted by followers of Kent Hovind and the like?
Listening to apologetics on Youtube, reading a couple of books, then declaring as true?
Or maybe even ingesting chemicals and seeing the face of Jesus himself?
http://cantheism.com/default.aspx

If I get your exact beliefs and particular details wrong, it is because you have not been clear.

 

[CosmicJoghurt]

This is a mischaracterization of the creationist position. They simply search for truth in a different manner than you do...

Exactly. Real scientists start from scratch, with no unsupported assumptions, relying only on hard evidence. This latter one is thrown down, spitted on, shitted on, analyzed bit by bit, if it survives it's valid evidence.

Creationists typically submit unreliable, un-consistent, self-contradicting scriptures as evidence and disregard peer-reviewed scientific facts.

So yeah. You're right.

Creationists search for truth. Scientists research for truth.

 

[televator]

How do creationists search for truth when they are already certain that they know the truth?

 

[Gunboat Diplomat]

This is a mischaracterization of the creationist position. They simply search for truth in a different manner than you do...

One can dig through ones own faeces on a daily basis in hopes of finding diamonds, that is just mining diamonds differently than rational people do...

To continue on with your analogy, they're still looking for diamonds...

 

[nemesiss]

would it be mean to create a .fail domain where i duplicate their whole website and reroute all the traffic to my site, to make a profit for every click those creationist make on my site?

 

[lordlandraid]

would it be mean to create a .fail domain where i duplicate their whole website and reroute all the traffic to my site, to make a profit for every click those creationist make on my site?

hehe...