An Agressive Secular Humanist Movement

[Xeromyr]

Admittedly, I am a lurker of these forums. I've had an account here for a while but I never really post anything. Until now, that is.

In addition to the nature of this post being shameless self-promotion, this is also an attempt to reach out for like-minded individuals such as myself, whom have within them a deep desire to aggressively attack the social, economical, technological, and political issues in our world, and to change them in favor for the entire Human species, instead of just a few members of within it. I want to bring an end to the third world by bringing them up to first world standards. I want to stabilize our worlds economy by preparing it to be sufficient enough to provide for an entire world that exists at a first world status. I want to set a population limit -- not just speak of setting a population limit as many others have done, I want to set it, regulate it, and enforce it. I want secular thinking to run rampant and for superstitious thinking to be destroyed. And the system I have spent the last several years designing is designed to accomplish specifically that, and the only ingredient it requires is the voluntary participation of fellow Human beings.


Now, considering the nature of these forums, I do expect each of you to be extremely skeptical about my claims and desires. Between you and I, we have no established history together, and I expect upon the forefront of this first encounter between us for you to have every reason to doubt my intentions, desires, and ability.


So I have established a compromise. If you wish to know more about this project, at this stage of implementation, you must be willing to participate, and you must also be able to bring something -- specifically you must be able to bring one of the three skills or commitments I have requested in this video, to the table. I am not giving out information for free. I am offering additional information about this project in exchange for your skills and abilities (or perhaps in exchange for helping this project to gain exposure). Which means that until the system is at its basic requirements and until you have helped get it to that point, that you agree to keep the details between you, I, and the others involved in this project.


Please, watch my video. Listen to my request to subscribe to my channel. Register on my website. Help me actually achieve progress instead of merely complaining about the issues we, as a species, are facing. As long as there are people out there whom are willing to listen to what I have to say, to participate with action, and to respond with surgical criticism -- I will be willing to dedicate the rest of my existence towards ensuring our survival as a species as aggressively as I can manage. I will do everything I can to make sure that we get off of this planet and begin colonizing the stars so that one day, when we have been alive for long enough as a result of the actions we take upon ourselves to do today, we can find ourselves able to understand all the wonders and secrets of this Universe that we or the future versions of ourselves will be able to understand, tomorrow.





I'll just leave this here as it is and see what kind of responses I get. I've put my neck out there -- so if you feel it appropriate to take upon yourself to tear my head off, I would ask for you to at least be kind enough to be thorough about it, so that I can learn something from it. I think that perhaps the most unfortunate out come this has had in the past and which is that people tend to feel too embarrassed to help. Which to me seems rather irrational, especially considering the enormous potential for a positive outcome. They feel too embarrassed for me to think that something like this might actually be possible, which in turn has the effect of making them feel as though they will inflict upon themselves equal embarrassment if they associate themselves with the project for even a moment. Quite curious, but that's just the way it seemed to play out in my previous attempts those years ago. Granted, the ideas were not nearly as structured or developed as they are now, so I'm certain that had a role to play in invoking such emotions.


So if you find yourself in a state of minor apprehension when it comes to involving yourselves with this project, especially if it's simply over the thought of sharing this video on whatever social media platforms you've established the representation of your own personalities ego upon -- just remember that it is my name and face on these videos, and that if, for whatever reason ends up being a huge embarrassing failure, that the embarrassment is all mine.


Thank you.

 

[Xeromyr]

Re: Co-operation: Catalyst - Agressive Secular Humanist Move

Well now, don't be shy. 58 views and no replies.


How am I actually supposed to accomplish this if I'm not getting any feedback from any of you?


Doubtful? Have a question?


Ask it. It's the only way to move forward. Speak what is on your mind. It's okay. Really. Let's do this. I want to hear your thoughts. Especially if they are thoughts of apprehension. I want to know what I can do to more effectively get my points across. If you watched and/or read this and didn't respond, I want to know why you didn't respond. What thoughts in your mind prevented you from doing so? If I want to turn these ideals into reality, I must know these things to prevent further invocation of apprehensive thoughts and feelings in others.

 

[kenandkids]

Re: Co-operation: Catalyst - Agressive Secular Humanist Move

So I have established a compromise. If you wish to know more about this project, at this stage of implementation, you must be willing to participate, and you must also be able to bring something -- specifically you must be able to bring one of the three skills or commitments I have requested in this video, to the table. I am not giving out information for free.

I have something against the scientology method of pay to play, therefore no need to comment. Since you won't be forthcoming about the "project" why would we invest ourselves?

 

[Xeromyr]

Re: Co-operation: Catalyst - Agressive Secular Humanist Move

So I have established a compromise. If you wish to know more about this project, at this stage of implementation, you must be willing to participate, and you must also be able to bring something -- specifically you must be able to bring one of the three skills or commitments I have requested in this video, to the table. I am not giving out information for free.

I have something against the scientology method of pay to play, therefore no need to comment. Since you won't be forthcoming about the "project" why would we invest ourselves?

Pay to play? I'm not asking for money here. I am asking for skill and ability. I am asking for your talents, not your currencies. Perhaps you should have read past the line in which you couldn't find yourself to read past, previously. There is a fair exchange for information for contribution. All you have to say is "I am willing to contribute (my skills)" and I will say "Okay, I am willing to exchange information." In fact, had I the resources to do so, the contents of these posts would be different, and I would be offering to throw money at you for your efforts, in addition to my own efforts that I constantly pour into these projects at my own expense.

Innovation is an extremely important thing to protect if someone things there is a buck to be made from it. Scour the internet for the 519 other people whom submitted abstracts regarding their projects. I have my doubts that you will be able to find anything about them. I'm offering to share. That's the entire point of these posts. It's the entire point of me attempting to reach out to people to begin with.

Global changes require the active participation from as many people as possible. There is simply no other way around it.

 

[kenandkids]

Re: Co-operation: Catalyst - Agressive Secular Humanist Move

Pay to play? I'm not asking for money here. I am asking for skill and ability. I am asking for your talents, not your currencies. Perhaps you should have read past the line in which you couldn't find yourself to read past, previously. There is a fair exchange for information for contribution. All you have to say is "I am willing to contribute (my skills)" and I will say "Okay, I am willing to exchange information." In fact, had I the resources to do so, the contents of these posts would be different, and I would be offering to throw money at you for your efforts, in addition to my own efforts that I constantly pour into these projects at my own expense.

Innovation is an extremely important thing to protect if someone things there is a buck to be made from it. Scour the internet for the 519 other people whom submitted abstracts regarding their projects. I have my doubts that you will be able to find anything about them. I'm offering to share. That's the entire point of these posts. It's the entire point of me attempting to reach out to people to begin with.

Global changes require the active participation from as many people as possible. There is simply no other way around it.

Money is not the sole currency, time and effort are also currencies.

 

[Xeromyr]

Re: Co-operation: Catalyst - Agressive Secular Humanist Move

Pay to play? I'm not asking for money here. I am asking for skill and ability. I am asking for your talents, not your currencies. Perhaps you should have read past the line in which you couldn't find yourself to read past, previously. There is a fair exchange for information for contribution. All you have to say is "I am willing to contribute (my skills)" and I will say "Okay, I am willing to exchange information." In fact, had I the resources to do so, the contents of these posts would be different, and I would be offering to throw money at you for your efforts, in addition to my own efforts that I constantly pour into these projects at my own expense.

Innovation is an extremely important thing to protect if someone things there is a buck to be made from it. Scour the internet for the 519 other people whom submitted abstracts regarding their projects. I have my doubts that you will be able to find anything about them. I'm offering to share. That's the entire point of these posts. It's the entire point of me attempting to reach out to people to begin with.

Global changes require the active participation from as many people as possible. There is simply no other way around it.

Money is not the sole currency, time and effort are also currencies.

I do realize this, and yet, do you? You continue to invest your time in responding to me as to why you're not going to inquire upon the project instead of putting that investment of time to better use and actually make some sort of inquiry.

Instead you actively choose to invest your time with responses that truly have a zero return of investment.

Twice now you've had the opportunity to ask a question. And instead you'd rather put effort into justifying the reasons as to why you're not going to.

That's not very rational. And it most certainly is not an accurate testament as to how you are claiming in your current argument that you would rather invest your time.

Are you interested, or not? Do you have a question, or not? This system has enormous potential to positively impact our world. And if you are willing to participate, I am willing to share -- and that option will always be open to you. And if that is not fair enough for you, then maybe you can take it upon yourself to suggest something that would be more fair for you. But in the mean time, I am going to continue to do things in this fashion until it has either been successful or has proven itself to be futile.

 

[Prolescum]

Re: Co-operation: Catalyst - Agressive Secular Humanist Move

Come with me to [redacted], I promise prestige, glamour, Jamaican ginger cake, [redacted] and possibly some [redacted] if you catch my [redacted]. I won't say what'll happen where we're going, but I can promise it's definitely a [redacted] place. I only need your employable qualities, no cash layout! I mean, I haven't been [redacted] [stet] [redacted] or [redacted] with [redacted] except when it's especially [redacted]. Seriously, it's a once in a [redacted] [redacted]!


We also require some Lady Sovereign.

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[Xeromyr]

Re: Co-operation: Catalyst - Agressive Secular Humanist Move



Necroing this thread for an update on this project.

This is a bit more about the project. If all goes well, my kickstarter.com campaign should go live next week to help raise funds for this.

I'd like to know what you think so far (this is 1 of 7 videos) as well as I would like to answer any questions you may have about it.

I'd greatly appreciate -any- outreach that any of you could help this idea acquire. If you like the idea, and would like to see it attract attention, feel free to mirror this video at your own leisure.

Thanks.

 

[Inferno]

Re: Co-operation: Catalyst - Agressive Secular Humanist Move

While I like the idea in general, I'm a realist so I have a few (quite large) nit-picks.
Let me first explain where I'm coming from. My cousin recently made a homepage for the purpose of saving animals from slaughterhouses. I think that's admirable, even though I still want my burger so I won't help him in his quest. That being said, I think his idea is also out of touch with reality and the way he approached the whole thing was stupid, to say the least. So I corrected him on a number of issues where he had simply gotten facts wrong and explained why his approach to the problem was a futile one.

I have the same problems with your idea. I think it's a generally good idea, but it isn't novel at all and fails for a number of reasons.
The first issue you touched upon was the planning and building of infrastructure anywhere in the world, financed by a third party. But that's not new, it has been done on a small-scale level for decades. For example, my old school raised around 10,000€ every year (I think it was actually far more than that, plus the EU made a 1:1 deal, meaning they'd double our money, so the grand total every year might have been nearly 50,000€, but I'm not sure so I'll be conservative about the estimates) and used that money to help out in Zambia. Every year, a group of students would travel there and teach children, build wells/schools/barns/etc. and help out in any other way they could.
Now obviously this isn't the same idea, it's smaller, there wasn't any technology involved and it wasn't widely publicized. But that's about the extent of the differences, as far as I can see.

The second issue you talked about was taking the whole thing to outer space. Don't you think that such ventures aren't on their way already? Just type in any variation of "resource mining in space" into google and you'll get thousands of results, all of them exploring the idea of gathering resources from outer space. Or type "space colonies" and check out those results. None of this is novel in any way, except you want to drive the idea by a different medium.
But my largest concern with your second issue is this: We're (sadly) not quite there yet. Apparently, the cheapest way of transporting goods into space still costs more than 5,000$ per kilogram. I'm very much doubtful whether there's currently any economic value in going to space. Don't forget that the people also need training beforehand, even if we were to get them to space. And this must be recognized: It's only economical aspects that will drive this expansion, at least in our current climate.

Your third point was the creation of jobs and that we could create far more jobs by going into space. I agree, partially. That's not the only way and, like I said just above, it's currently not a viable way. Arguably a more realistic goal would be to clean up our shit and get our act together on earth. Just cleaning up the garbage (collecting, sorting, recycling) we've flung out into nature could surely generate millions of jobs. You talked about the pacific vortex yourself, so you know its proportions. It's huge, vast, gigantic. There is currently no operation on the way to clean up that mess, even though I can't really see why there shouldn't be. Surely, our technology should be sufficient to clean it up, so that's not the problem. People would also be happy enough to work there, given the chance. The only problem then is economy.
There are other areas that could generate just as many jobs, but let's not get into that. My main point is: What's the point of going to space if we're only going to litter away?

So those, in short, are my problems with your idea. To end on a positive note: I liked the way you talked, that was fairly poetic. I take it you gleaned some of the quotes from people like Sagan and Attenborough? The style surely sounds familiar.

 

[Master_Ghost_Knight]

Re: Co-operation: Catalyst - Agressive Secular Humanist Move

*nuff said*

But I will say more. It's a naive idea completly out of touch with reality. Real projects needs specialist dedicating several years to it, it requiers a continuous dedication to learning the natures of a problem and solving it. Not by addition of people with poor education who have nothing more than some few spare hours. Even if I gave you 1 hour of every briliant mind in the world, you wouldn't be able to get more than what it would be achieved with 2 hours of continuous work from one of them.
Second problem if I can do something right, why should I give it to you for you to make a profit when I can do that myself?

 

[Xeromyr]

Re: Co-operation: Catalyst - Agressive Secular Humanist Move

*nuff said*

But I will say more. It's a naive idea completly out of touch with reality. Real projects needs specialist dedicating several years to it, it requiers a continuous dedication to learning the natures of a problem and solving it. Not by addition of people with poor education who have nothing more than some few spare hours. Even if I gave you 1 hour of every briliant mind in the world, you wouldn't be able to get more than what it would be achieved with 2 hours of continuous work from one of them.
Second problem if I can do something right, why should I give it to you for you to make a profit when I can do that myself?

Yeah, that's why out of the blue Google offered me a job multiple times months ago (which I turned down) as a software engineer for their main engineering department, despite the fact that I have practically zero software engineering college/work related history on any resume or transcript at all.

Dear Derek,

I wanted to introduce myself. My name is [removed]; I'm a talent scout on the Engineering Staffing Team at Google. Your profile caught my eye while I was browsing for interesting projects with a background in engineering.

Though I realize you may not be actively searching or considering prospects outside of your current project at the moment, I thought I'd check with you.

At Google, I work on our central team and am able to work with you to determine a match for your location, experience, and interests - whatever they may be. That said; if you see value in that and can see yourself making a move to Google in the near future, feel free to get in touch with me with your resume and we can go from there.

If this just isn't the right timing for you, let me know and hopefully we can keep in touch. And of course, I'd be happy to accept any referrals that you may have!

I appreciate your time,

Thanks,
[removed]
[removed]@google.com

I used to refurbish RSRM's (Reusable Solid Rocket Motors (the two white rocket boosters on the side of the orange tank)) for NASA's shuttle missions, and I've been working on this project for several years.

Also -- (and you may be too uneducated to realize this, but) the amount of profit that could be made off of it, really isn't going to matter in the rather near future. Why? Because our species is on the advent of mastering nuclear fusion technology. What does this mean? This means that we will be able to readily convert Hydrogen and Helium (or any other element of our choosing) into Gold, Palladium, and Platinum (or any other element of our choosing). What does this mean? That the price of every single raw element becomes equal in their monetary values (roughly the same price as dirt or water). What does this mean? Say goodbye to this world's stock market (on a permanent basis). The only real value any raw elements are going to have is their value of utility through their application in technology.

This isn't about profit, sir. This is about making the world a better place in the process of ensuring the survival of our species. Which is far more important than money, anyway.

If you have an idea and in the process of developing it you happen to encounter an obstacle, you do not stop at that obstacle and call it quits. No, what you do is you treat it as an inquiry and ask yourself how you can overcome this new obstacle, apply the scientific method to help you overcome it, and you do this as many times as necessary until there are no more obstacles in the way.

You've had just a few minutes to think about this idea. I've had nearly a decade to develop it. Maybe instead of presenting baseless assumptions regarding how you think it might turn out, instead you should put me to the test and try to ask me a question about this whole thing that you think I wouldn't be able to give you a thorough answer for.

 

[Prolescum]

Re: Co-operation: Catalyst - Agressive Secular Humanist Move

Before MGK's rebuttal of your assumption of his educational status, I'd like you to state plainly what your project is and what its goals are. Include a roadmap and any appropriate links (to back up your views of technological developments, political and economic predictions or your source code, for example). If you can articulate it in video form, it should be easy to write down.

 

[Xeromyr]

Re: Co-operation: Catalyst - Agressive Secular Humanist Move

Before MGK's rebuttal of your assumption of his educational status, I'd like you to state plainly what your project is and what its goals are. Include a roadmap and any appropriate links (to back up your views of technological developments, political and economic predictions or your source code, for example). If you can articulate it in video form, it should be easy to write down.

I'll start with a brief description of each feature (except for the economics feature, I'm in the process of re-finalizing it), followed by technological developments of nuclear transmutation (via nuclear fusion) via fusion reactors, particle accelerators, etc.


The project, in it's simplest description, is "open-sourced everything."

The purpose of this project is to provide our species with powerful tools to strategically eradicate poverty, bring fairness to global civil rights, construct masterful works of engineering, and ultimately -- to ensure the survival of our species.

[b]Our primary areas of focus for the six months after receiving funding are: [/b]

- Reach 501c(3) non-profit organizational status
- Redundantly establish the integrity and potency of our server-systems
- Launch the first five major features of the software (to be initially available as Apps on Facebook and Google+)
- Develop an Operating System (OS) specifically for this system (Linux based)

The five major features to be released are open-sourced and peer-reviewed (in this order):

- Politics
- Research
- Education
- Engineering
And the remaining feature can be described as "Economics."

Definitions for the the sake of clarity:

Open-source:
Open source is a term that basically means "Anyone can work on or modify it."

Peer-Review:
"Peer-review" is a process of knowledgeable individuals working together to make sure that a particular thing has valid, empirical credibility. I realize that I already hinted each of these things will have a system of "peer-review" built into them, but I just wanted to take a moment to clarify this.

Also, as a primary function of our peer-review process, every aspect and product of this software (such as engineering designs) will have to be justified with arguments as they are delegated into existence. This will function very similarly to the way social networks utilize "Likes" and "Dislikes." However, in order to vote "yes" or "no" for something, you have to present your logical argument as to "why." If you choose to delegate something, your argument will be permanently documented (It can be edited, but edits will also be saved, so try to keep it professional).

So once again, to re-clarify:

IN ORDER FOR SOMETHING TO BECOME A FUNCTIONAL BLUEPRINT, LAW, OR EDUCATIONAL COURSE, IT MUST FIRST GO THROUGH A PEER REVIEW PROCESS TO ENSURE THAT IT IS POSSIBLE/FEASIBLE/BENEFICIAL/ETC.

Engineering: Civil Infrastructure

This is the primary feature of the software. It's basic description is Google Earth + architectural design.


This software will enable us to design entire cities in third world areas, bases on the Moon, civilian space stations in space, and our entire future civilization on Mars. Its framework will allow for the strategic contingency planning of complex resource harvesting operations -- such as harvesting asteroids from the Asteroid Belt or Hydrogen and Helium from the planet of Jupiter.

Eventually, we will push the functionality of this engineering software to the point where its secondary function is akin to a video game. Its participants will be able to walk or fly around these simulations of our future, and admire the elegant beauty of what our species (should we survive ourselves) will eventually achieve.

The "video game" aspect of this software also runs simulations of what the future is going to look like, and when it will look like that. It complies this data based upon the number of blueprints in progress or completed in its database, the number of participants, the number of people available to be a part of the workforce, etc. You'll able to type in a specific date of the future, and the software will project a simulation that can be interacted with, of what our collective human civilization is estimated to look like at that period of time, based upon current variables.

This same open-sourced based engineering spreads across all categories of engineering imaginable. The software will be home to the most advanced molecular, nano, genetic, electronic, industrial and etcetera database and interactive simulations in the world.


Politics:

Based on the permanent and/or temporary locations of residence and citizenship that person provides the system, the "Politics" portal will become populated with every single bit of law data applicable to them.

Here, the process of proposing new bills and the purging of old ones (such as it being a criminal offense to blow bubbles in public in some states) is dramatically simplified. This will help us bring balance to our civil rights, keep each of us informed of the law, and allow us to have more control over our own lives.

In addition, should a person choose to participate in the delegation of law, they will be required to pass a test with a score of 100% regarding each law before they can vote for it through this software, to ensure that they thoroughly understand it.

The process of composing each of these tests will also be open-sourced and peer reviewed.

Research:

Our first area of focus on the "Research" feature will specifically be dedicated to the collecting voluntarily submitted data regarding our individual medical histories. Initially, it will basically be a "check-list" of medical ailments for a person to verify that they are afflicted with, so that we can use this data to construct precise and public medical models.

The first purpose of this to provide fairness to our systems of healthcare. With this data publicly available, we will then plug into these models the policy rates of every single insurance company in existence, so that there will be increased transparency and exposure as to what a particular company covers, what they do not, how much it costs, and which insurance company is most suited to cover you for your specific needs.

The resulting side-effect this will have, will be to give rise to a new arena in which insurance companies are forced to compete. With each of them exposed so publicly, they will have no choice but to compete with each other until their prices have been driven down to the point where they are more affordable to everyone, and to hopefully delete even the notion of being disqualified for coverage due to "pre-existing conditions" from reality.

The second purpose of this is to give researchers greater ability to pinpoint otherwise undetectable causes of poor-health, such as diet behaviors, exercise, work environments, and natural environments. Again, initially utilizing a "check-list" format for the acquisition and voluntary submission of this information.

A person will be able to update the system as to whether or not they are currently ill with a contagious illness. This will give researchers the ability to track the propagation of these illnesses, as well as give the World Health Organization and the Center for Disease Control a method of early epidemic detection, should a virus or disease mutate and become deadly.

Education:

Looking back on my childhood and knowing what I know now, I wish that there had been a more intimate way of not just having an idea as to what I wanted to be in life, but to actually see a step-by-step process of how to become the person whom I aspired to be.

The first thing we will do with the "Education" feature, is provide this aspirational intimacy for others by plotting out a "learning tree" which is to serve as this step-by-step process.

If an 8 year old decides that they wish to be an astronaut, they will be able to view the exact and specific educational pursuits required of them to become one. From there, they will have the option of pursuing their aspiration through open-sourced courses which will be specifically tailored to accommodate their chosen profession. And it is also one of our main priorities to do what is required to make these open-sourced courses count as accredited, widely recognized, and 100% transferrable educational accomplishments.

The second thing we will do, is provide a digital archive for every users academic records, certificates, degrees, GPA's, and any other data that would qualify as falling under this category so that our users can use them to their advantage when looking for employment.

Essentially the overall goal the "Education" section of this software is to help each member of our species become more intelligent, skilled, and employable -- whilst eliminating as many barriers standing between them and their aspirations as possible in order to bolster the effectiveness of our global workforce.

 

[Xeromyr]

Re: Co-operation: Catalyst - Agressive Secular Humanist Move

*I've been up for two days straight organizing outreach/arguing on the internets, so after having a nap, I'll finish this post*


I should mention that in addition to the development of Co-operation: Catalyst, I've been working on the development of 31 different projects/technologies/theories simultaneously over the time period of roughly a decade (pretty much at the exclusion of anything else).

Some of the technologies are my own personal innovations currently under development for grant proposals and simply cannot be elaborated upon due to the possibility that they will be classified as "Secret" (or higher) government clearance status levels after proposal submission. So in advanced, I apologize for my stubbornness to elaborate on some of these technologies, and I hope you can be understanding in regards to this.

In addition, some of these technologies are also based upon various quantum mechanics theories of mine (which I am finalizing some journals for peer-review myself), technologies which also happen to serve as a means to generate empirical evidence (via experimentation) in favor of or against the validity of these theories. I'll elaborate on some of the mechanics regarding some of the theories, but not on others as the only way to be sure about the math, experiments must first be conducted. For instance, one of my theories suggests that a Higgs boson is the resulting particle of matter/anti-matter annihilation -- that one of these technologies may be able to cause a Higgs boson of a specific energy level, with a specific current geometric state, to regularly (near constantly) be present within a specific location of the machine, where the Higgs particle can be more directly observed, and then actually be split back into matter and antimatter by exhibiting sufficient negative pressure on this specific location, blah blah blah, long story short, every theory I have is falsifiable.


The advancement of technologies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3oY-XHwss8
Nuclear fusion via particle accelerators is something that has been achievable for quite some time now. In fact, such fusion experiments are directly responsible for the discovery of new elements most recently added to the periodic table of elements:

As well as the complete table of nuclides (the most stable versions (which also happen to be, for the most part, the isotope versions that are present in the periodic table of elements) are represented by the black squares in the following image).

(You'll have to search for the higher res picture of the table of nuclides yourself, as it exceeds maximum x/y dimensions allowed):

Okay, that's all I can take for the moment. I'll be back in a few hours to finish this up. Thanks for your patience.

 

[Master_Ghost_Knight]

Re: Co-operation: Catalyst - Agressive Secular Humanist Move

Yeah, that's why out of the blue Google offered me a job multiple times months ago (which I turned down) as a software engineer for their main engineering department, despite the fact that I have practically zero software engineering college/work related history on any resume or transcript at all.

Excuse me Mr. "Google offered me a job but I'm to good for them so I refused", but I was not putting into question your software development skills. As far as I am concerned you could be the biggest code wizard on the planet. What I am criticizing is the project itself, it is based on a gigantic ball of falacy that is "oh I get 100 people, each does 1 hour work then I would in total achieve the equivalent of of 100 hours of work from a specialist", and the other that "it is of human nature to be so interested in the future of the planet that I don't care to not make a living out of my work and instead give it all to you so that some one else can get a killing out of it".

Also -- (and you may be too uneducated to realize this, but) the amount of profit that could be made off of it, really isn't going to matter in the rather near future. Why? Because our species is on the advent of mastering nuclear fusion technology. What does this mean? This means that we will be able to readily convert Hydrogen and Helium (or any other element of our choosing) into Gold, Palladium, and Platinum (or any other element of our choosing). What does this mean? That the price of every single raw element becomes equal in their monetary values (roughly the same price as dirt or water). What does this mean? Say goodbye to this world's stock market (on a permanent basis). The only real value any raw elements are going to have is their value of utility through their application in technology.

This is just laughable. One of the most valuable comodities in the planet isn't materials, its Energy! And fusion to get the raw materials is the least effective use of it. It is cheaper to pay a miner, buy them machines and let hime dig up gold than to collect the ammount of energy requiered to fuse an ounce of gold. And this energy problem isn't just a current technological barrier, it is requierment dictated by the laws of physics. It doesn't exist an inexpensive way to do it, and it never will no matter how technology evolves in the next million years.

Your heart maybe on the right place, but that isn't enough. If things were that easy, believe me, people would have done that ages ago.
Oh and by the way, that tool that will connect people all arround the world to share scientific work, it is already been invented. It's called the internet, now you do whatever you like with it.

 

[Inferno]

Re: Co-operation: Catalyst - Agressive Secular Humanist Move

Your heart maybe on the right place, but that isn't enough.

Took me a while to find this quote: (Partial, then full)

They were quiet for a while, eating, then Oromis asked, "Can you tell me, what is the most important mental tool a person can possess?"

...

Oromis: "I agree that it's important to be of a virtuous nature, but I would also contend that if you had to choose between giving a man a noble disposition or teaching him to think clearly, you'd do better to teach him to think clearly. Too many problems in this world are caused by men with noble dispositions and clouded minds."

[showmore=FullQuote]They were quiet for a while, eating, then Oromis asked, "Can you tell me, what is the most important mental tool a person can possess?"

It was a serious question, and Eragon considered it for a reasonable span before he ventured to say, "Determination."
Oromis tore the loaf in half with his long white fingers. "I can understand why you arrived at that conclusion,determination has served you well in your adventures,but no. I meant the tool most necessary to choose the best course of action in any given situation. Determination is as common among men who are dull and foolish as it is among those who are brilliant intellects. So, no, determination cannot be what we're looking for."
This time Eragon treated the questions as he would a riddle, counting the number of words, whispering them out loud to establish whether they rhymed, and otherwise examining them for hidden meaning. The problem was, he was no more than a mediocre riddler and had never placed very high in Carvahall's annual riddle contest. He thought too literally to work out the answers to riddles that he had not heard before, a legacy of Garrow's practical upbringing.

"Wisdom," he finally said. "Wisdom is the most important tool a for a person to possess."
"A fair guess, but, again, no. The answer is logic. Or, to put it another way, the ability to reason analytically. Applied properly, it can overcome any lack of wisdom which one only gains through age and experiences."

Eragon frowned. "Yes, but isn't having a good heart more important than logic? Pure logic can lead you to conclusions that are ethically wrong, whereas if you are moral and righteous, that will ensure that you don't act shamefully."

A razor-thin smile curled Oromis's lips. "You confuse the issue. All I wanted to know was that most useful tool a person can have, regardless of whether that person is good or evil. I agree that it's important to be of a virtuous nature, but I would also contend that if you had to choose between giving a man a noble disposition or teaching him to think clearly, you'd do better to teach him to think clearly. Too many problems in this world are caused by men with noble dispositions and clouded minds.

"History provides us with numerous examples of people who were convinced that they were doing the right thing and committed terrible crimes because of it. Keep in mind, Eragon that no one thinks himself as a villain, and few make decisions they think are wrong. A person may dislike his choice, but he will stand by it because, even in the worst circumstances, he believes that it was the best option.

"On its own, being a decent person is no guarantee that you will act well, which brings us back to the one protection we have against demagogues, tricksters, and the madness of crowds, and our surest guide through the uncertain shoals of life: clear and reasoned thinking. Logic will never fail you, unless you're unaware of,or deliberately ignore,the consequences of your deeds."

pp. 349-350[/showmore]

By the way Xeromyr, way to respond to my criticism, I love being ignored.

 

[Xeromyr]

Re: Co-operation: Catalyst - Agressive Secular Humanist Move

Excuse me Mr. "Google offered me a job but I'm to good for them so I refused", but I was not putting into question your software development skills. As far as I am concerned you could be the biggest code wizard on the planet. What I am criticizing is the project itself, it is based on a gigantic ball of falacy that is "oh I get 100 people, each does 1 hour work then I would in total achieve the equivalent of of 100 hours of work from a specialist", and the other that "it is of human nature to be so interested in the future of the planet that I don't care to not make a living out of my work and instead give it all to you so that some one else can get a killing out of it".

I refused the job because I was suspicious that they might attempt to scalp my idea from me (which I kept rather secret for a very long time, and have no idea how they found out about it), by hiring me on as employee, and using their "non-disclosure and invention" contracts that are signed upon hiring in order to steal it, legally -- so that they could avoid buying it from me for whatever price they might offer in the future. After all, they were only interested in -me- because of my project (due to the fact that I have no transcript or resume of being a software engineer). They then offered to buy -me- and not my project. I had a very logical reason to turn that job down.

I don't have very much of an ego, so stop imagining that I'm here trying to ride some high-horse. I'm not here to flaunt. I'm here to try to find individuals interested in helping me acquire outreach, and who want to be a part of this future moment of history. For people who want to be able to look back on their life and say "I helped do that."

One of the most valuable comodities in the planet isn't materials, its Energy!

I realize this, and do agree. It's not one of the most valuable commodities. It's the most valuable.

And fusion to get the raw materials is the least effective use of it. It is cheaper to pay a miner, buy them machines and let hime dig up gold than to collect the ammount of energy requiered to fuse an ounce of gold. And this energy problem isn't just a current technological barrier, it is requierment dictated by the laws of physics.

But this is where you went wrong. First, I'm going to start with the punchline: Particle accelerators are about to become millions of times more efficient in the use of this energy.

The LHC (a powerful particle accelerator) is famous not just for the quantity of collisions it can generate per second, but also for how hard it can push atoms.

The extreme energy expense does not come from the maximum quantity of collisions it can generate per second. It comes from the energy required to push a single atom at those speeds, because if you are pushing one atom at those speeds, then you are pushing all of the atoms at those speeds.

Having used the LHC as an example, it is also important to note that the design of the LHC was not tailored for the industrialized manufacture of other elements (which is a process that consumes much less energy). It was tailored to answer our inquiry of "How hard can we push it?" and "Will answering 'How hard can we push it?' expose the existence of a Higgs Boson?" (which is a process that consumes much more energy.)

Now we get to the more important details to consider:

Carbon nanotubes will soon be playing an extremely important role in the realm of particle accelerators. Why? Because they can be used as particle accelerator "nano-cannons." What do I mean by this? I mean that instead of having a single travel way for atoms to travel through before colliding with another object usually being (up to) inches in diameter -- that instead, several million travel ways which are the diameter of a nanotube can be crammed within a 4 inch diameter, whilst still using the same amount of energy. This is where the "increased efficiency by millions of times" results.

The temporary technological barrier which stands between us and this increased efficiency, is the ability to fabricate any appreciable lengths of carbon nanotubes that can be utilized in this fashion.

The reason why we are on the advent of mastering nuclear fusion, is because of an invention that will lift that barrier. It processes carbon through piezo-transducers and liquid helium in order to break down the carbon substrate into individual carbon atoms, and by utilizing high amperage electrical current (passing the current through the length of the nanotube), it enables carbon nanotubes the ability to automatically assemble themselves (as in, to automatically increase in length) when you pull from the other end of it. If you are continuously pulling on the nanotube, then that means that the other end of this nanotube is continuously being automatically assembled -- which further means that carbon nanotubes can be drawn to indefinite lengths.

This is one of the technologies I've developed (in theory) that I am currently in the process of getting a grant for so that it can be utilized (in practice).

It doesn't exist an inexpensive way to do it,

This is currently true.

and it never will no matter how technology evolves in the next million years.

But statements like this are why I am comfortable with calling you uneducated, in the context of you not being as educated as you think you are.

Your heart maybe on the right place, but that isn't enough.

Thanks. But my understanding is also in the right place. You are the one who is in err, here.

If things were that easy, believe me, people would have done that ages ago.

This is where you're wrong again. Don't confuse your own lack of an innovative mind for the lack of innovation in others. Just because -you- can't do it (as in, cannot exercise the discipline and patience to be more aggressive and diligent regarding your personal research), it doesn't mean that others can't either.

Oh and by the way, that tool that will connect people all arround the world to share scientific work, it is already been invented. It's called the internet, now you do whatever you like with it.

You're either deliberately missing the point here (which would make you a troll) or you are accidently missing the point, whilst thinking that you are not missing the point (which would make you moron). So, why don't you go ahead and share with us which of those two options you'd rather be? Unless of course you'd rather choose to exercise a bit more patience so that you conduct yourself with a little more decency, instead.

Yes, "fundamentally" the internet already connects us all (at least in this context). However, the Universe is what really, fundamentally connects us all if you want to get technical about it. Which means that this "connection" we have was something we didn't invent, as it was already there. Which means that once again you are wrong. Because even though you are correct that the internet connects us, it is not what truly connects us, which means that you are wrong. But that would be deliberately taking things out of context (annoying and repugnant isn't it?) just as equally as you deliberately took what I had to say out of context, which was in the context of using the internet, to use software, in order to connect us on a bit more of a specific and localized level (such as under the categories of politics and engineering, separated from the context of lulcats and boxxie).

Your heart maybe on the right place, but that isn't enough.

Took me a while to find this quote: (Partial, then full)

They were quiet for a while, eating, then Oromis asked, "Can you tell me, what is the most important mental tool a person can possess?"

...

Oromis: "I agree that it's important to be of a virtuous nature, but I would also contend that if you had to choose between giving a man a noble disposition or teaching him to think clearly, you'd do better to teach him to think clearly. Too many problems in this world are caused by men with noble dispositions and clouded minds."

[showmore=FullQuote]They were quiet for a while, eating, then Oromis asked, "Can you tell me, what is the most important mental tool a person can possess?"

It was a serious question, and Eragon considered it for a reasonable span before he ventured to say, "Determination."
Oromis tore the loaf in half with his long white fingers. "I can understand why you arrived at that conclusion,determination has served you well in your adventures,but no. I meant the tool most necessary to choose the best course of action in any given situation. Determination is as common among men who are dull and foolish as it is among those who are brilliant intellects. So, no, determination cannot be what we're looking for."
This time Eragon treated the questions as he would a riddle, counting the number of words, whispering them out loud to establish whether they rhymed, and otherwise examining them for hidden meaning. The problem was, he was no more than a mediocre riddler and had never placed very high in Carvahall's annual riddle contest. He thought too literally to work out the answers to riddles that he had not heard before, a legacy of Garrow's practical upbringing.

"Wisdom," he finally said. "Wisdom is the most important tool a for a person to possess."
"A fair guess, but, again, no. The answer is logic. Or, to put it another way, the ability to reason analytically. Applied properly, it can overcome any lack of wisdom which one only gains through age and experiences."

Eragon frowned. "Yes, but isn't having a good heart more important than logic? Pure logic can lead you to conclusions that are ethically wrong, whereas if you are moral and righteous, that will ensure that you don't act shamefully."

A razor-thin smile curled Oromis's lips. "You confuse the issue. All I wanted to know was that most useful tool a person can have, regardless of whether that person is good or evil. I agree that it's important to be of a virtuous nature, but I would also contend that if you had to choose between giving a man a noble disposition or teaching him to think clearly, you'd do better to teach him to think clearly. Too many problems in this world are caused by men with noble dispositions and clouded minds.

"History provides us with numerous examples of people who were convinced that they were doing the right thing and committed terrible crimes because of it. Keep in mind, Eragon that no one thinks himself as a villain, and few make decisions they think are wrong. A person may dislike his choice, but he will stand by it because, even in the worst circumstances, he believes that it was the best option.

"On its own, being a decent person is no guarantee that you will act well, which brings us back to the one protection we have against demagogues, tricksters, and the madness of crowds, and our surest guide through the uncertain shoals of life: clear and reasoned thinking. Logic will never fail you, unless you're unaware of,or deliberately ignore,the consequences of your deeds."

pp. 349-350[/showmore]

By the way Xeromyr, way to respond to my criticism, I love being ignored.

I didn't forget about you, don't worry. I'll eventually touch on the issues you brought up. However, you are both for some reason under the impression that this is a matter of determination which is absent of logic or intellect, when it is not.

 

[Inferno]

Re: Co-operation: Catalyst - Agressive Secular Humanist Move

Well here's the thing: I'm not an engineer. Never have been, never want to be so I probably never will be. What I am though is a geographer and part of that is economics. I have yet to hear you say one sensible thing about economics, that's why I'm highly skeptical.

 

[Master_Ghost_Knight]

Re: Co-operation: Catalyst - Agressive Secular Humanist Move

I refused the job because I was suspicious that they might attempt to scalp my idea from me (which I kept rather secret for a very long time, and have no idea how they found out about it), by hiring me on as employee, and using their "non-disclosure and invention" contracts that are signed upon hiring in order to steal it, legally -- so that they could avoid buying it from me for whatever price they might offer in the future. After all, they were only interested in -me- because of my project (due to the fact that I have no transcript or resume of being a software engineer). They then offered to buy -me- and not my project. I had a very logical reason to turn that job down.

So let me get this straight. By your own claim, you turned a job down because you were worried that they would steal your idea (a ludicrous claim just by analyzing your speech alone, a non-disclosure agreement is a perfectly reasonable practice in any company). Yet you are asking people to share their ideas in an environment which fosters the theft of ideas? by your own words other people would put into practice someone else's work making a profitable entrepreneurship. But that is totally ok because it is for a greater good, and you didn't want google to steal your idea (your idea that you say it is for a greater good) which if put into practice it would be more successful made by google than you could ever make it on your own? (of course this is lala land, google doesn't give 2 shits about you or your project)

Particle accelerators are about to become millions of times more efficient in the use of this energy

Source please?

Do you want peer-review, here is peer-review:

The extreme energy expense does not come from the maximum quantity of collisions it can generate per second. It comes from the energy required to push a single atom at those speeds, because if you are pushing one atom at those speeds, then you are pushing all of the atoms at those speeds

The law of conservation of energy, you just raped it with this statement.
Let's say that X is the energy required to push a single atom. Now instead of that atom ending in an atomic collision let's say I use it to heat a boiler (HOLY CRAP, that is got to be the most expensive boiler ever) and let's say that yields Y amount of energy per collision. Now by your claim it takes about as much energy to accelerate any amount of atoms as it takes to accelerate one.
So it takes X amount of energy to power the machine and I get Yn as the resulting output where n is the number of atoms.
Now because I am a smart guy I'm going to compute the minimal amount of atoms required to break even.
X=Yn<=> n=X/Y. Therefore if n>X/Y I get free energy.

Carbon nanotubes will soon be playing an extremely important role in the realm of particle accelerators. Why? Because they can be used as particle accelerator "nano-cannons." What do I mean by this? I mean that instead of having a single travel way for atoms to travel through before colliding with another object usually being (up to) inches in diameter -- that instead, several million travel ways which are the diameter of a nanotube can be crammed within a 4 inch diameter, whilst still using the same amount of energy. This is where the "increased efficiency by millions of times" results.

I'm just puzzled, what exactly is the role played by carbon nanotubes in this accelerator of yours?
I think you are under the misconception that particle accelerators works like ballistics.

This is one of the technologies I've developed (in theory) that I am currently in the process of getting a grant for so that it can be utilized (in practice).

Ok, let me know how that works out for you.

and it never will no matter how technology evolves in the next million years.

But statements like this are why I am comfortable with calling you uneducated, in the context of you not being as educated as you think you are.

Ok. Let me show you this:

The main component of dirt is O2Si, both of them have a binding energy per nucleotide higher than gold. Let's be charitable and say that O has the same binding energy per nucleotide as gold. And let's be charitable and assume that average nucleotide of O2Si is just 0.1MeV higher of that of gold. Let's assume that you have a 100% efficient way to do it, that every energy you put in goes into the fusion in to gold, and that you have somehow a magic process that doesn't produce waste elements (if that is even possible). To fuse an atom of gold you would lose on average 19.7Mev. From here it is a trivial calculation to find out how much it would cost to make 1g of gold by such process. It's about 2678.9KWh (note: mole). Let's be charitable and say that the cost of energy is about 10 cent per KWh. 1 g of gold would cost 267.89$. Given that price of gold is being marketed below 60$ a gram. This means that at best this process costs 4.5 times more, and this in a theoretical technological utopia that can only exist in your imagination.

You're either deliberately missing the point here (which would make you a troll) or you are accidently missing the point, whilst thinking that you are not missing the point (which would make you moron). So, why don't you go ahead and share with us which of those two options you'd rather be? Unless of course you'd rather choose to exercise a bit more patience so that you conduct yourself with a little more decency, instead.

I'm serious, the internet was invented to share scientific work. Check the history of the internet.
It didn't achieved anything near what you expect.
What you are proposing is internetception.

On a serious note: Did you really think it would be that easy?

 

[Xeromyr]

Re: Co-operation: Catalyst - Agressive Secular Humanist Move

I'll just leave this here.


http://phys.org/news/2013-09-chip.html#jCp

In an advance that could dramatically shrink particle accelerators for science and medicine, researchers used a laser to accelerate electrons at a rate 10 times higher than conventional technology in a nanostructured glass chip smaller than a grain of rice.

The achievement was reported today in Nature by a team including scientists from the U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory and Stanford University.

"We still have a number of challenges before this technology becomes practical for real-world use, but eventually it would substantially reduce the size and cost of future high-energy particle colliders for exploring the world of fundamental particles and forces," said Joel England, the SLAC physicist who led the experiments. "It could also help enable compact accelerators and X-ray devices for security scanning, medical therapy and imaging, and research in biology and materials science."

Because it employs commercial lasers and low-cost, mass-production techniques, the researchers believe it will set the stage for new generations of "tabletop" accelerators.

At its full potential, the new "accelerator on a chip" could match the accelerating power of SLAC's 2-mile-long linear accelerator in just 100 feet, and deliver a million more electron pulses per second.

This initial demonstration achieved an acceleration gradient, or amount of energy gained per length, of 300 million electronvolts per meter. That's roughly 10 times the acceleration provided by the current SLAC linear accelerator.

"Our ultimate goal for this structure is 1 billion electronvolts per meter, and we're already one-third of the way in our first experiment," said Stanford Professor Robert Byer, the principal investigator for this research.

Today's accelerators use microwaves to boost the energy of electrons. Researchers have been looking for more economical alternatives, and this new technique, which uses ultrafast lasers to drive the accelerator, is a leading candidate.

Particles are generally accelerated in two stages. First they are boosted to nearly the speed of light. Then any additional acceleration increases their energy, but not their speed; this is the challenging part.


In the accelerator-on-a-chip experiments, electrons are first accelerated to near light-speed in a conventional accelerator. Then they are focused into a tiny, half-micron-high channel within a fused silica glass chip just half a millimeter long. The channel had been patterned with precisely spaced nanoscale ridges. Infrared laser light shining on the pattern generates electrical fields that interact with the electrons in the channel to boost their energy. (See the accompanying animation for more detail.)

Turning the accelerator on a chip into a full-fledged tabletop accelerator will require a more compact way to get the electrons up to speed before they enter the device.

A collaborating research group in Germany, led by Peter Hommelhoff at the Max Planck Institute of Quantum Optics, has been looking for such a solution. It simultaneously reports in Physical Review Letters its success in using a laser to accelerate lower-energy electrons.

Applications for these new particle accelerators would go well beyond particle physics research. Byer said laser accelerators could drive compact X-ray free-electron lasers, comparable to SLAC's Linac Coherent Light Source, that are all-purpose tools for a wide range of research.

Another possible application is small, portable X-ray sources to improve medical care for people injured in combat, as well as provide more affordable medical imaging for hospitals and laboratories. That's one of the goals of the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency's (DARPA) Advanced X-Ray Integrated Sources (AXiS) program, which partially funded this research. Primary funding for this research is from the DOE's Office of Science.