America's second bill of rights

[havanacat]

Ummm...yeah, tell that to my relatives who grew up in the Depression in South Carolina and Florida...
---. The graph certainly doesn't represent their experience (eating beans and rice every night). It does, however, represent the numbers of people who were employed by the socialist works projects administration...not the private sector. As I said, it was WWIi and the ensuing private sector steel mills and refineries that rescued this country.

As to Felix, did you know he begged FDR to accept a ship of German Jews escaping Germany's holocaust machine? And FDR turned them away?

You're full of shit, and you post just showed it.

My family has lived in the south since the Irish immigration to America and the subsequent migration.

The South was still so seperated from the northern part of the country at the time that it was almost entirely self-sufficient. Many places didn't have power, and didn't have that many things to begin with for them to lose.
My Great Grandmother recounts the only problem being that they sold slightly less milk - which was easily remedied by having some steak and selling off the steak for other things they could use.
The ENTIRE SOUTH was like that - especially the deeper south such as Alabama, Georgia, and Florida.

:lol:

My family, and many like them, didn't have quite the lucky experience you did.

MY family tells tales of their lives, too.

(Also, anyone else that havanacat is ignoring my posts in their entirety?)

 

[havanacat]

For someone who says that government spending didn't get us out of the great depression, pointing to a massive surge in government spending as the actual solution is rather silly...

Noticed how she hasn't continued? Hopefully, she'll let the facts settle in her mind and come to that realization herself.[/quote
I can't continue as often because I am working. Does that make sense? I actually have to be productive. ..

 

[havanacat]

I must admit the anglo~saxon vernacular makes the case. Every time.

Thank you...sorry, I suppose I have to educate what I thought should have already been educated...which goes to show UK univ. are no better than American...I hoped they were, alas....

.......this goes againt the Magna Carta and English Bill of Rights....but who cares about those pesky, dusty documents....we are in the Ministry!!!!

It would appear that havanacat is labouring under the misapprehension that we are all in the UK...

Here's a list of the contributors to this thread so far, grouped by nationality.



British:

Australopithecus
Prolescum
Your Funny Uncle
Theyounghistorian77


Canadian:

Andiferous


New Zealander:

Aught3


US Citizens:

ArthurWilborn
Televator
Aeritano
Hytegia
Demojen
Havanacat
RichardMNixon
Borrofburi
DepricatedZero
Kenandkids


Thanks for list Proves a.s. are indeed, global


I hope that clears things up for you.

 

[havanacat]

Thank you...sorry, I suppose I have to educate what I thought should have already been educated...which goes to show UK univ. are no better than American...I hoped they were, alas....

The heck..... :?: You think I'm in the UK? I kinda wish I was, given the current state of affairs in the US. IDK about the differences in universities, but I do hear that UK schools have a bit of trouble to deal with in the form of religious segregation. See what happens when religion goes unchallenged in public schools?

Anyway, my point doesn't help you. If you're going to say that it was the war that helped us out of the great depression, then you must consider the massive government war spending which amounted to about 6 times that of the new deal. Speaking of the New Deal, its effects were actually blunted due to the congress and supreme court stone walling many of it's programs at the time. So before even talking about any good or bad effects of the New Deal, you first have to admit that it actually wasn't even allowed to really take off in many respects to have any affect on the problems it attempted to fix.

It reminds me of today where republicans watered down the healthcare reform bill to the point if it being almost meaningless, so obviously the insurance and drug companies continue to make things worse, but the republicans attribute the worsening to the so called tough reforms in the bill....

This was all in the American Experience Series' documentary of FDR.

Yes, I believe that was a public telivision documentary...wasn't it?

 

[ArthurWilborn]

I can't continue as often because I am working. Does that make sense? I actually have to be productive. ..

We work too, lady. That doesn't keep us from being able to string thoughts together. :roll:

Do I get credit for calling someone who agrees with me a troll?

And, no - you're wrong.
There is no greater problem than an uneducated mass clung to the MOAR SHINY NOW instead of ENOUGH FOR LONG TIME.
Neither of our solutions will solve jack shit if consumer education is not taught and people keep on thinking that having 22 inch rims and a fly fresh paint job on their car is fine if you're living in a shithole of an apartment whilst living off of welfare.

:roll:

What you're describing as the "problem" is simply the EM doctor stabbing a needle to circumvent trauma in a man who walked out in front of traffic. Yes, it hurts. Yes, it's causing bleeding. But he happens to be removing a metal bar from your chest, so it's best if you just shut up and not play in the streets again.

I'd say the call for entitlements - jobs, medical care, etc. - is based on the same desire for immediate gratification that you decry. I fail to see how one type of massive debt-based spending is problematic but the other is not - but I'm willing to listen.

I agree with you that many people have poor priorities in their spending habits. I could even make a snide comment about how welfare might be responsible for their poor priorities in the first place. I obviously have no problem with entitlement to education, although I'd argue that government is not the best service provider.

 

[havanacat]

I can't continue as often because I am working. Does that make sense? I actually have to be productive. ..

We work too, lady. That doesn't keep us from being able to string thoughts together. :roll:


who is WE?


U2
Do I get credit for calling someone who agrees with me a troll?

And, no - you're wrong.
There is no greater problem than an uneducated mass clung to the MOAR SHINY NOW instead of ENOUGH FOR LONG TIME.
Neither of our solutions will solve jack shit if consumer education is not taught and people keep on thinking that having 22 inch rims and a fly fresh paint job on their car is fine if you're living in a shithole of an apartment whilst living off of welfare.

:roll:

What you're describing as the "problem" is simply the EM doctor stabbing a needle to circumvent trauma in a man who walked out in front of traffic. Yes, it hurts. Yes, it's causing bleeding. But he happens to be removing a metal bar from your chest, so it's best if you just shut up and not play in the streets again.

I'd say the call for entitlements - jobs, medical care, etc. - is based on the same desire for immediate gratification that you decry. I fail to see how one type of massive debt-based spending is problematic but the other is not - but I'm willing to listen.

I agree with you that many people have poor priorities in their spending habits. I could even make a snide comment about how welfare might be responsible for their poor priorities in the first place. I obviously have no problem with entitlement to education, although I'd argue that government is not the best service provider.

 

[australopithecus]

who is WE?

You know....the people who post on this forum that aren't you? Granted, that work may be academic (either schooling or university) or it''s employment, but work is work.

 

[televator]

I can't continue as often because I am working. Does that make sense? I actually have to be productive. ..

Ah, so you'll just ignore being proven wrong when you do make time to face facts. This deflection tactic by making this about your life is a real obvious and transparent crutch for you. First your school life and now your work life....what's next? Any hobbies you wanna tell us about? :lol:

Also I'm sure you quit posting here for a while and still posted in other threads....I may be wrong though.

 

[)O( Hytegia )O(]

I can't continue as often because I am working. Does that make sense? I actually have to be productive. ..

Ah, so you'll just ignore being proven wrong when you do make time to face facts. This deflection tactic by making this about your life is a real obvious and transparent crutch for you. First your school life and now your work life....what's next? Any hobbies you wanna tell us about? :lol:

The two other forums she's actively *posting* on is a time-consuming part of her day -
you can't expect her dancing skills to be wasted onto a single audience, can you? She needs to dance for the WHOLE WORLD!

 

[borrofburi]

I can't continue as often because I am working. Does that make sense? I actually have to be productive. ..

Ah, so you'll just ignore being proven wrong when you do make time to face facts. This deflection tactic by making this about your life is a real obvious and transparent crutch for you. First your school life and now your work life....what's next? Any hobbies you wanna tell us about? :lol:

Also I'm sure you quit posting here for a while and still posted in other threads....I may be wrong though.

I noticed that too. havanacat purposefully responded a post discussing her, and purposefully ignored the two posts discussing a massive flaw in her argument.

 

[)O( Hytegia )O(]

Ah, so you'll just ignore being proven wrong when you do make time to face facts. This deflection tactic by making this about your life is a real obvious and transparent crutch for you. First your school life and now your work life....what's next? Any hobbies you wanna tell us about? :lol:

Also I'm sure you quit posting here for a while and still posted in other threads....I may be wrong though.

I noticed that too. havanacat purposefully responded a post discussing her, and purposefully ignored the two posts discussing a massive flaw in her argument.

This is why combining insults of the person into insults of their subject matter is the best technique instead of separating critiques. They can't just point at a single part of the post without being called on ignoring the rest of it, and it's like substantiating your insults with evidence.
I call it the House method of criticism:
"*Initial insult*. Here's why.
*work critique*
You're an idiot."