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he_who_is_nobody said:
I think my above posts of piss and vinegar were premature. It appeared to me that the silent majority was actually real, and that scared the shit out of me. However, that is not the case, we just have a shit load of apathetic voters. Do not get me wrong, I am also mad at those people too, but not for the same reason and not to the same degree.
Why the fuck would you not vote? Unless one is going to actively take up arms against their government, the only way average people can influence and make changes is by voting. Why would anyone choose not to do this basic of all rights? I am not going to sit here and say they are the reason Trump won, I do not know how that 23% would have voted, I just do not understand what the point is in wasting your vote like that. Actually going out and casting a vote is never a waste, because your vote is counted and your voice is heard. Beyond that there are tons of down ballot issues to vote for that have a far faster and closer impact on your life. To everyone in the U.S. that chose not to vote, FUCK YOU. You are no better than the anti-vaxxers of this world.
Laurens said:As far as not voting in general is concerned, I think the voting system and politics in general is due an overhaul. If we can do our banking online, we ought to be able to vote online. This alone would engage the younger generation more. When I was of voting age, but younger than I am now, I didn't vote because politics was boring and I didn't really understand it. Politicians need to be aware that the public consists of various generations, at the moment it suits older people who view it as a civic duty and are prepared to trek up the road to a polling station to vote. A lot of kids are used to being able to do everything online, making voting online would engage them far more than anything else.
Google "Gerrymandering".Gnug215 said:Laurens said:As far as not voting in general is concerned, I think the voting system and politics in general is due an overhaul. If we can do our banking online, we ought to be able to vote online. This alone would engage the younger generation more. When I was of voting age, but younger than I am now, I didn't vote because politics was boring and I didn't really understand it. Politicians need to be aware that the public consists of various generations, at the moment it suits older people who view it as a civic duty and are prepared to trek up the road to a polling station to vote. A lot of kids are used to being able to do everything online, making voting online would engage them far more than anything else.
Well, not to be a conspiracy monger or anything, but I'm thinking that certain politicians have a vested interest in NOT making this happen.
Visaki said:Gnug215 said:Well, not to be a conspiracy monger or anything, but I'm thinking that certain politicians have a vested interest in NOT making this happen.
Google "Gerrymandering".
Visaki said:I'm not quite sure about the online voting thing. It has a lot of potential problems, least of which isn't the possibility of interference (like a DOS attack on the servers). Banking you can usually do another day if the bank site is down today, with elections that's not really an option. I'd rather see a better system for early voting, so people have more time to vote.
It's all like that no lobbying thing Trump suggested; it sounds very nice to the voters but it'll be quietly dropped now and never spoken of again untill the next election.
WarK said:I don't find it that surprising. People don't care that much. Last time they voted for change and not that much changed. If Obama failed do you think Clinton would do better?
WarK said:Some interesting facts 2 charts that show Donald Trump is not as popular as he would have you believe
Fewer people voted for Trump than did for McCain or Romney in previous elections. It's Clinton who failed.
tuxbox said:he_who_is_nobody said:I hope a democrat comes by and explains to me how Clinton is so electable again.
It is because she is not trust worthy and in all likelihood a criminal. She lied to the FBI several times, which is against the law. If you or I had lied to the FBI, we would be charged with a crime. She only cares about money, power, and herself.
Laurens said:I don't necessarily agree, but in this of all elections I can see why people didn't vote. The choice between a warmongering establishment figure who has scandal after scandal and a bigoted sociopath isn't that great. I know there is the lesser of two evils and all that, but I can totally empathise with someone who thought 'fuck it' and didn't bother.
Laurens said:As far as not voting in general is concerned, I think the voting system and politics in general is due an overhaul. If we can do our banking online, we ought to be able to vote online. This alone would engage the younger generation more. When I was of voting age, but younger than I am now, I didn't vote because politics was boring and I didn't really understand it. Politicians need to be aware that the public consists of various generations, at the moment it suits older people who view it as a civic duty and are prepared to trek up the road to a polling station to vote. A lot of kids are used to being able to do everything online, making voting online would engage them far more than anything else.
LGBTQ rights do not fit with christianity either but here's a concept you do not seem to grasp:thenexttodie said:I think the reason why Hillary lost is because everyone knows lgbtq rights don't fit with Islam. So she ended up looking like a tool by pretending she supportes both gay and Islamic ideaolgy.
WarK said:
If you put forward two of the most hated candidates in history (ok, I didn't check that) you can't be surprised that people don't want to vote for either. Though I do think that the electorial college crap doesn't help with the voting activity (the US presidential elections have a very low turnout compared to other western democracies).he_who_is_nobody said:Just finished this video and I have to say this guy is peddling the silent majority crap too. As you pointed out, Trump won with less votes than Romney or McCain before him. Thus, trying to shift the blame away from Clinton and the DNC is asinine. The DNC and Clinton lost this election, the blame starts and ends with them. They ran a terrible campaign from the beginning, they picked a terrible person to nominate, and they did this all in the open; the whole time trying to gaslight people into thinking that what they were doing was in their best interest. If Clinton would have campaigned on good foreign or domestic policies, she would have won. If she would have picked Elizabeth Warren as her VP, she would have won. If she would have talked about the economy (we were below 5% unemployment in October with drops for the whole of 2016) she would have won. They did none of this, instead they just kept saying "how could anyone vote for Trump?" Turns out, not that many people did. You have to give reasons why people should also vote for you, not just why the other person is terrible.
australopithecus said:I for one welcome the opportunity to evaporate in a ball of glorious Soviet nuclear fire.
he_who_is_nobody said:Fuck this country. Fuck the people that live here.
Visaki said:@Dustnite: The republicans said that they will block anything and everything they can of the things the democrats and Obama send their way. At least they kept that promise. I wonder if the democrats will grow some balls or will they still be dreaming that bipartisanship and compromise are the ways to go?