thenexttodie
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Visaki said:So no one, no where, never has accidently shot themselves or someone else?
Yes. Some people accidently shoot themselves or other people. I knew someone who accidently shot himself in the head and died.
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Visaki said:So no one, no where, never has accidently shot themselves or someone else?
Visaki said:God doesn't do rights, it does might.
If you're going to troll, could you please do better than "Our rights come from our dictator and tyrant: GOD!!"?thenexttodie said:God has the authority to say "These people should die." I know you don't like that. God says we profane him by letting people live who should not live and killing people who should not die.
One reason why you know there is a God, is by observing the behavior of people who try to deny his existence. Atheists get it right every time. Don't kill murderers, but kill sick people and children and unborn babies.
The reason way you people don't understand what rights are is no mystery.
So guns are harmful but we have a right to have them? But we don't have a right to take drugs because they are harmful?thenexttodie said:Visaki said:So no one, no where, never has accidently shot themselves or someone else?
Yes. Some people accidently shoot themselves or other people. I knew someone who accidently shot himself in the head and died.
So in fact people who have guns do become a danger, or at least become more dangerous, to themselves and others.thenexttodie said:Visaki said:So no one, no where, never has accidently shot themselves or someone else?
Yes. Some people accidently shoot themselves or other people. I knew someone who accidently shot himself in the head and died.
Laurens said:So guns are harmful but we have a right to have them? But we don't have a right to take drugs because they are harmful?
You could at least try to be consistent.
Visaki said:So in fact people who have guns do become a danger, or at least become more dangerous, to themselves and others.
Yes, yes you do. If you don't own a gun you can't accidently or on purpose shoot yourself or others. If you do, you can. You might feel that you are a special case in this regard, as probably most people who buy guns do, but you are not special.thenexttodie said:Visaki said:So in fact people who have guns do become a danger, or at least become more dangerous, to themselves and others.
The question was do I become a danger to myself or others by having a firearm(I don't currently own one actually) but my answer was no.
Maybe. Most of people sometimes use substances, legal or illegal, which impair their judgement. Most people know not to carry or operate a gun when using them.On the other hand if you were to give Laurens a gun, he would become a danger because he is a drug user.
I'd say that the people who legally carry guns would be less likely to engage in criminal behavior even if they didn't own a gun and owning a gun doesn't make you more likely to be a good law abiding citizen. It also might only show that 1) it easier to get a legal gun if you are not a criminal (or in prison) and 2) american police are a exeptionally corrupt and criminal bunch. Also: Source please.People who legally carry guns in the US are 6 times LESS likely to engage in criminal behavior than Police Officers. They are virtually the most law-abiding demographic we have.
tuxbox said:Let's ban vehicles, after all they kill more people than guns.
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http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/07/16/gun-deaths-versus-car-deaths/?_r=0
thenexttodie said:Visaki said:So in fact people who have guns do become a danger, or at least become more dangerous, to themselves and others.
The question was do I become a danger to myself or others by having a firearm(I don't currently own one actually) but my answer was no.
On the other hand if you were to give Laurens a gun, he would become a danger because he is a drug user.
People who legally carry guns in the US are 6 times LESS likely to engage in criminal behavior than Police Officers. They are virtually the most law-abiding demographic we have.
MarsCydonia said:tuxbox said:Let's ban vehicles, after all they kill more people than guns.
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http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/07/16/gun-deaths-versus-car-deaths/?_r=0
Let's.
After all, vehicles are not a "natural right" despite the fact that people have been travelling for millenias and vehicles are just a tool facilitating that.
But let's keep guns because they are a "natural right" as it's a fact that people have been "self-defending" themselves for millenias and guns are just a "tool" facilitating that.
If you are to troll, can't you do a better job than an obious goal-post moving? You asserted that someone does not have a right to do drugs because "When you are high on drugs you become a danger to yourself and others" but apparently, "danger to yourself and to others" has nothing to do with it.thenexttodie said:Visaki said:So in fact people who have guns do become a danger, or at least become more dangerous, to themselves and others.
The question was do I become a danger to myself or others by having a firearm(I don't currently own one actually) but my answer was no.
Alcohol.thenexttodie said:On the other hand if you were to give Laurens a gun, he would become a danger because he is a drug user.
Interestingly, this was my reaction to your comment too!tuxbox said::facepalm:
thenexttodie said:Laurens said:So guns are harmful but we have a right to have them? But we don't have a right to take drugs because they are harmful?
You could at least try to be consistent.
The person shot himself was high on marijuana at the time.
MarsCydonia said:Interestingly, this was my reaction to your comment too!tuxbox said::facepalm:
The difference between the two should be obvious. I'd love to see statistics on how many lives cars save each year vs how many lives guns save each year but I guess that's rather hard to do. But is anyone here actually for 100% ban on gun ownership of private citizens? Or for 100% free everything goes weapon owning?tuxbox said:Let's ban vehicles, after all they kill more people than guns.
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http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/07/16/gun-deaths-versus-car-deaths/?_r=0
Visaki said:I went into the "does a gun make you a danger / more dangerous" bit with thenexttodie because I disagree with his statement that having a gun doesn't make you more dangerous, not because I think all guns should be banned only because they make their carrier more dangerous.
Visaki said:P.S. Why did car deaths plummet in 2007-8? Did people loose their cars in the crash too? Did the Americans finally discover seat belts? Yes I'm being silly but it would be interesting to know the reason for that.
Visaki said:P.P.S. If I'm not mistaken most of those gun deaths are suicides. I wonder how many of those could have been prevented if there isn't a suicide button in hand? Mind you this isn't really a good argument for gun bans, the least a total ban, but I think it should be a worth remembering
Why do you go with these red herrings other than for trolling?thenexttodie said:But you support suicide, right?
thenexttodie said:But you support suicide, right?
MarsCydonia said:Why do you go with these red herrings other than for trolling?
It would be like if someone reminded you that you support baby-killing on an unrelated topic.