Aether model of QM.

[Dragan Glas]

Re: Царь Славян's Aether model of QM.

Greetings,

You do realize that experiment was done in the 19th century before we could actually go up there and see what is there? So you have one paper that says the Sun is about 700 miles from Earth, and you have over 958 currently operational satellites that say otherwise, which one is more compelling?

Rowbotham of course since his calculations take into account the least amount of assumptions. Thus are more reliable.

With all due respect, this is arrant nonsense.

Rowbotham's "least amount of assumptions" - a flat Earth - destroys the very method he uses. Hence, his erroneous result.Talk about the fallibility of "people" - more to the point, of only one person doing it.

However, nowadays, we have lasers, and - regardless of whether the Earth is flat or not - we can shine it at the Moon and measure the time it takes for the reflected beam to return to Earth. Or, radar, which has been used to measure the distances to the Moon, Venus, Mercury - along with their rotational speeds...

The first yield of radar astronomy was a much improved value for the distance from the earth to the moon. Using more powerful transmitters, the distances to Venus and Mercury were also measured, as well as the planets' rotational periods and gross surface properties. Even greater precision is obtained by replacing the radio transmitter with a laser. During the Apollo project, special reflectors were installed on the moon; subsequently, by bouncing laser light off the moon the distance from the earth to the moon could be determined within centimeters. Radar observations are also useful for asteroids and comets whose orbits take them relatively near the earth. Much of the surface of Venus has been mapped by unmanned probes using radar altimeters to penetrate the cloud cover.

Царь Славян, are you going to still insist on arguing this point?

Kindest regards,

James

 

[Duvelthehobbit666]

Re: Царь Славян's Aether model of QM.

]According to Rowbotham, as I said before, the sun is about 700 miles from the Earth, and 10 km in diameter. So guess what, This fits perfectly into the geocentric model where the Sun orbits the Earth.

The sun cannot be 700 miles away. If that were true, we would be in it because the minimum mass of the sun for the sun to have sustainable fusion, our planet would be in it.

 

[Master_Ghost_Knight]

Re: Царь Славян's Aether model of QM.

Ps. From modern interpretation, technically the "Gravitical constant" is a scale factor and not a proprety that things have. So arguing that this constant changes from particle to particle is like saying that a meter can be bigger orsmaller depending of the object, or that a kilogram of iron is more mass that a kilogram of feathers.

 

[Master_Ghost_Knight]

Re: Царь Славян's Aether model of QM.

The sun cannot be 700 miles away. If that were true, we would be in it because the minimum mass of the sun for the sun to have sustainable fusion, our planet would be in it.

And the sun would eclipse the moon instead of the other way arround.

 

[Duvelthehobbit666]

Re: Царь Славян's Aether model of QM.

The sun cannot be 700 miles away. If that were true, we would be in it because the minimum mass of the sun for the sun to have sustainable fusion, our planet would be in it.

And the sun would eclipse the moon instead of the other way arround.

This was already covered by Dragan Glas I believe.

 

[Master_Ghost_Knight]

Re: Царь Славян's Aether model of QM.

gah! maybe I missed it.

 

[Duvelthehobbit666]

Re: Царь Славян's Aether model of QM.

gah! maybe I missed it.

I don't read everything. Way too much work.

 

[Dragan Glas]

Re: Царь Славян's Aether model of QM.

Greetings,

gah! maybe I missed it.

I don't read everything. Way too much work.

Actually, gentlemen, it was hackenslash who pointed this out.

[You mean,... nobody reads my posts??!!.... :cry: ]

Kindest regards,

James

 

[Duvelthehobbit666]

Re: Царь Славян's Aether model of QM.

Greetings,
Actually, gentlemen, it was hackenslash who pointed this out.

[You mean,... nobody reads my posts??!!.... :cry: ]

Kindest regards,

James

To save time, I only read the short posts. So make it short and I will read it

 

[Deleted member 619]

Re: Царь Славян's Aether model of QM.

Tell me you're not going to level a charge of tl:dr at this post? :lol:

 

[ProcInc]

Re: Царь Славян's Aether model of QM.

We now have (yet another?) Example of a increasingly fair generalisation that the same people who insist "intelligent design" is science are geocentrists who believe the works of 19th century flat earthers (who was also a literal snake oil salesman!) Over real science and the existence alone of over 958 satellites...

"King of the Slavs" is a lost cause and Ignorant fool but in terms of a future reference point he is quite a gift.

Just like dotoree and his belief in mercury-powered ancient flying devices, 'Slavs' is an invaluable source for the incompetence of creationists when addressing the genuinely willing to learn.

 

[RigelKentaurusA]

Re: Царь Славян's Aether model of QM.

The sun cannot be 700 miles away. If that were true, we would be in it because the minimum mass of the sun for the sun to have sustainable fusion, our planet would be in it.

Lolwut?

 

[he_who_is_nobody]

Re: Царь Славян's Aether model of QM.

[You mean,... nobody reads my posts??!!.... :cry: ]

Dry your tears Dragan Glas, I have read all your posts. However, all three threads Царь Славян has decided to spill his dribble in, I have read every post.

We now have (yet another?) Example of a increasingly fair generalisation that the same people who insist "intelligent design" is science are geocentrists who believe the works of 19th century flat earthers (who was also a literal snake oil salesman!) Over real science and the existence alone of over 958 satellites...

Who else do we have? I do not remember benthemiester being a geocentrist.

Just like dotoree and his belief in mercury-powered ancient flying devices,

:lol:

I forgot about this. Oh dotoree. :facepalm:

:?: I wonder who would win in a debate dotoree or Царь Славян?

 

[MineMineMine]

Re: Царь Славян's Aether model of QM.

:?: I wonder who would win in a debate dotoree or Царь Славян?

well i'm pretty sure it would be very entertaining. so everyboday would win ^-^

 

[Dragan Glas]

Re: Царь Славян's Aether model of QM.

Greetings,
Actually, gentlemen, it was hackenslash who pointed this out.

[You mean,... nobody reads my posts??!!.... :cry: ]

Kindest regards,

James

To save time, I only read the short posts. So make it short and I will read it

Duvelthehobbit66, my posts are the "short" versions! :lol:

[You mean,... nobody reads my posts??!!.... :cry: ]
Dry your tears Dragan Glas, I have read all your posts. However, all three threads Царь Славян has decided to spill his dribble in, I have read every post.

Thank you, ... thank you, ... (sobs) ....*looks up wonderingly* - "three", you say!?! (sniffs)

Kindest regards,

James

 

[Dragan Glas]

Re: Царь Славян's Aether model of QM.

Greetings,

We now have (yet another?) Example of a increasingly fair generalisation that the same people who insist "intelligent design" is science are geocentrists who believe the works of 19th century flat earthers (who was also a literal snake oil salesman!) Over real science and the existence alone of over 958 satellites...

"King of the Slavs" is a lost cause and Ignorant fool but in terms of a future reference point he is quite a gift.

Just like dotoree and his belief in mercury-powered ancient flying devices, 'Slavs' is an invaluable source for the incompetence of creationists when addressing the genuinely willing to learn.

It is rather sad that a former respected mathematician should have lost his way so.

He has fallen into a Tortucan Trap, from which only he can extricate himself - although we can help as best we may.

[Perhaps we should just call all such "Tortucans", as a way of settling on a single unemotional term, rather than use all the various ones which are used: "fundie"/Ceationist/ID-er/etc/etc.]

Kindest regards,

James

 

[ProcInc]

Re: Царь Славян's Aether model of QM.

Who else do we have? I do not remember benthemiester being a geocentrist.

No, Ben is not an example of a geocentrist... he is however an AIDs Denialist.

 

[Duvelthehobbit666]

Re: Царь Славян's Aether model of QM.

Duvelthehobbit66, my posts are the "short" versions! :lol:

Kindest regards,

James

Wow.

 

[Dragan Glas]

Re: Царь Славян's Aether model of QM.

Greetings,

Another mathematical proof against the geocentric model....

The largest angular distance between Venus and the Sun (VS), as seen from the Earth (where the Earth-Sun distance is represented by ES), is about 45 degrees. From this you can calculate the ratio of the radii of the orbits of Venus and Earth:

VS/ES = sin 45​

When the angular distance between the Sun and Venus is at maximum, the line of view from the Earth to Venus is tangential to Venus' orbit, thus forming a right angle with the radius Sun-Venus. The distance between the Sun and Venus is, thus, about 70 percent of the radius of the earth's orbit. (72.3% to be more exact - or 0.723 AU.)

This means that - if the geocentric model were correct - all the other (outer) planets' orbits (Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto] would have to fit into less than 30% of the Earth-Sun distance between Venus and the Earth.

Bearing in mind the size of the gaseous planets - along with their extensive number of satellites and the further space their orbits take up - this would be impossible.

Kindest regards,

James

 

[Pulsar]

Re: Царь Славян's Aether model of QM.

:?: I wonder who would win in a debate dotoree or Царь Славян?

well i'm pretty sure it would be very entertaining. so everyboday would win ^-^

And what about realisoph, remember him? He still visits this site, btw.

Hmm, a discussion between dotoree, Царь and realisoph. I'd pay to see that.