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a troll and his argument aka the elliot argument

nemesiss

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It's hilarious how some wacky religious people want to be like william craig, they create their own "argument"

if you haven't heard of it, it's this so-called "elliot argument" by fivethirty who calls himself... the "atheist killa"
this so-called argument has some additional notes.
I didn't make this up, this guy says it himself!

1- it's only for atheists who actually believe that our physical universe really exists.
2 - it's only to be used against atheists.

in his own words: "the elliot argument is designed to conquer, defeat, destroy, demolish, disassemble atheism, not agnostics"

source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqjkaD0OC1E
if you want to watch his video, he takes FOREVER to make his argument...


so here is his so-called argument:

premise #1: BOTH STE AND SCPNCEU ARE IRRATIONAL ILLOGICAL AND HAVE ZERO EVIDENCE.

premise #2: IF YOU DENY OR DISBELIEVE IN AN UNCREATED CREATOR OPTION AS THE CAUSE OF THE UNIVERSE, THEN YOUR ONLY TWO OPTIONS ARE STE AND SCPNCEU.

premise #3: ATHEIST DENY OR DISBELIEVE IN AN UNCREATED CREATOR OPTION AS THE CAUSE OF THE UNIVERSE

therefor: ATHEISTS ARE IRRATIONAL, ILLOGICAL AND HAVE ZERO EVIDENCE.


What are STE and SCPNCEU?
i have no clue... he doesn't even explain what it means.
for all we know it could be accronyms for deadly deceases.

i did a little search to find out what they mean and found this gem"

http://philosotroll.com/2011/12/07/the-elliott-argument-and-failures-of-tensed-time.aspx

STE: Space and time are eternal
SCPNCEU: Something can come from pure nothingness and then create the entire Universe.

i find it hilarious that you have to find answers on a website that already label him as a troll.
So, what are your thoughts of this piece of fail?


couple of quick notes:

1 - he LOVES to type everything with the caps locks on.
2 - he has set all comments to be approved
3 - he loves to ban anyone who hands him his ass on a silver platter.
4 - he claims (like a real WLC fanboy) that this argument is unbeatable
5 - he think 90% of the atheists are too scared to debate him ( apparently he also has the same penis size of WLC, extra extra small)
 
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I challenged him to a formal debate. He declined.
 
arg-fallbackName="Frenger"/>
premise #1: A UCC IS IRRATIONAL ILLOGICAL AND HAVE ZERO EVIDENCE.

premise #2: IF YOU DENY OR DISBELIEVE IN AN TBB OPTION AS THE CAUSE OF THE UNIVERSE, THEN YOUR ONLY TWO OPTIONS ARE UCC AND AHKTU.

premise #3: THEIST DENY OR DISBELIEVE IN TBB OPTION AS THE CAUSE OF THE UNIVERSE

therefor: THEISTS ARE IRRATIONAL, ILLOGICAL AND HAVE ZERO EVIDENCE.


So, I have changed a few things.

UCC = Uncreated creator.
TBB = The Big Bang
AHKTU -= A horse knitted the Universe

To me, the argument is "I don't understand physics, therefore I know how the Universe began. Don't believe me? Well then, you are irrational".

If I ever fancy being sick out of my eyes due to stupid I will give his video a watch, for now though, I will just make do with your summary :)
 
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Among others, Paul Chartley has made two videos about THE ELLIOT ARGUMENT (I've heard you have to write it with all caps) which I enjoyed.


and


I hope you'll find them worth your time.
 
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