9/11

[scalyblue]

First off, castle law is based off of common law then it was adapted into maritime admiralty law; You can quickly see this by how they differentiate between officers of peace and officers of law. As such, the sovereign entity commonly known as Bill has full right to defend himself against *unlawful* actions. Seeing as how this entity did not harm another person, commit fraud, or had stolen anything, the warrant was unlawful. His death is argued over a lot, and don't be surprised that your god of wikipedia is wrong.

Also, that's still not relevant to the fact that he announced Osama would be used as the scapegoat for a major terrorist attack weeks before it happened...

Oh, I'm sorry, the wikipedia article that you cited to further your claim that doesn't agree with you is now wrong?

Let's go to the source, then

13-419. Presumption; exceptions; definition

A. A PERSON IS PRESUMED TO BE ACTING REASONABLY FOR THE PURPOSES OF SECTIONS 13-404 THROUGH 13-408 AND SECTION 13-418 IF THE PERSON IS ACTING AGAINST ANOTHER PERSON WHO UNLAWFULLY OR FORCEFULLY ENTERS OR ENTERED THE PERSON'S RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE OR OCCUPIED VEHICLE, EXCEPT THAT THE PRESUMPTION DOES NOT APPLY IF:

1. THE PERSON AGAINST WHOM PHYSICAL FORCE OR DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE WAS USED HAS THE RIGHT TO BE IN OR IS A LAWFUL RESIDENT OF THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE OR OCCUPIED VEHICLE, INCLUDING AN OWNER, LESSEE, INVITEE OR TITLEHOLDER, AND AN ORDER OF PROTECTION OR INJUNCTION AGAINST HARASSMENT HAS NOT BEEN FILED AGAINST THAT PERSON.

2. THE PERSON AGAINST WHOM THE PHYSICAL FORCE OR DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE WAS USED IS THE PARENT OR GRANDPARENT, OR HAS LEGAL CUSTODY OR GUARDIANSHIP, OF A CHILD OR GRANDCHILD SOUGHT TO BE REMOVED FROM THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE OR OCCUPIED VEHICLE.

3. THE PERSON WHO USES PHYSICAL FORCE OR DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE IS ENGAGED IN AN UNLAWFUL ACTIVITY OR IS USING THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE OR OCCUPIED VEHICLE TO FURTHER AN UNLAWFUL ACTIVITY.

4. THE PERSON AGAINST WHOM THE PHYSICAL FORCE OR DEADLY PHYSICAL FORCE WAS USED IS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WHO ENTERS OR ATTEMPTS TO ENTER A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE OR OCCUPIED VEHICLE IN THE PERFORMANCE OF OFFICIAL DUTIES.

If the officer was on duty and serving a warrant, the person was not acting reasonably
If the shooter is engaged in an unlawful activity, which a fugitive is, the person was not acting reasonably.

Let me guess, now you're going to get into the fallacies such as: the flag in a courtroom defines what statues the court adheres to, or that you can somehow 'burn the strawman' by refusing to sign your name or acknowledge documents that are written in all caps, and that also makes you exempt from income tax.

And, wow, accusing a known terrorist with a vendetta against the US is going to attack the US? How perceptive. I think that you might have scooped Ric Romero.

Aren't you canadian?

 

[IBSpify]

Seeing as how this entity did not harm another person, commit fraud, or had stolen anything, the warrant was unlawful.

I apologize if this is over the line as it likely is but do you have a reading comprehension problem?

HE WAS THREATENING PASSERBY'S WITH A HAND GUN!! THAT IS ILLEGAL!! AS SUCH THE WARRANT FOR HIM THREATENING PEOPLE WAS NOT UNLAWFUL!!

You are right that it has nothing to do with him predicting Osama attacking the US months before the attack happened, because the 2 events are completely unrelated

However, to judge the voracity of this prediction, or claim you have to look at his other claims to see if it was a real prediction based on inside information or if he was throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. (lets face it predicting a known terrorist will attack a country that he hates is like predicting that Israel and Palestine will have another conflict). And when those other claims contain gems such as the government of the United States has had contact and has entered into a bargain with an extraterrestrial society and that those ETs were responsible for abductions. It kinda shoots whatever credibility he might have in the foot

 

[Niocan]

Aren't you canadian?

Most common wealth countries operate with common law as supreme law of the land. It's a handy thing to know eh.

In regards to Bill, he's the vilified "alex jones" of his time so there's really no way I can get past that programing. You'll see him as a lone nut who took his anger out on the police; I'll see him as someone who spent endless amounts of time on the air talking about what's on his inquisitive mind as he tries to piece the world together using the resources he had... All of which, was based upon his own self awakening event.

The media has always been a powerful propaganda tool

 

[scalyblue]

Aren't you canadian?

Most common wealth countries operate with common law as supreme law of the land. It's a handy thing to know eh.

In regards to Bill, he's the vilified "alex jones" of his time so there's really no way I can get past that programing. You'll see him as a lone nut who took his anger out on the police; I'll see him as someone who spent endless amounts of time on the air talking about what's on his inquisitive mind as he tries to piece the world together using the resources he had... All of which, was based upon his own self awakening event.

The media has always been a powerful propaganda tool

people might start showing you slightly more respect if you didn't use ambiguously phrased doublespeak.

I think milton cooper was an idiot, "Beyond a pale horse" was a barely coherent rambling with no basis in fact or rationality, his 'petition to indict' was more of the same. When you write something like this, you have forfeited all credibility.

To Wit: The Government has approved and entered into a secret treaty with an
Alien Nation against the terms of the Constitution and without the advise and
consent of the Congress or the people.
The Government in this treaty has given this Alien Nation land and bases
within the borders of these United States of America.

The government in this treaty has traded human lives and property for the
alien technology and has denied the citizens of these United States of America
the lawful protection due them under the Constitution. The property is in the
form of livestock and land.

So it turns out that something that he was ranting about was correct after the fact, by that logic should we start basing social policy on the quatrains of nostradamus? After all, he was correct once or twice.

Screw milton, show me his sources. Show me peer reviewed documentation that shows that he wasn't just flinging darts at a board blindfolded.

As far as your architectural ineptitude, so you know, university architecture is essentially three years of this discussion among like-minded enthusiasts.
Done with supercomputers, access to the textbook collections of five continents and thirty languages.
On four hours sleep a night.
With no sex.
You're not going to find the loophole these guys missed.

 

[scalyblue]

Or, in other words.

 

[Niocan]

I'm still not sure why his death was brought up in the first place; The only apparent reason to me is that you're just trying to find some faults in his life to blanket across all his statements. If that's the case, then I'm not the one who's trolling.

 

[scalyblue]

I'm still not sure why his death was brought up in the first place; The only apparent reason to me is that you're just trying to find some faults in his life to blanket across all his statements. If that's the case, then I'm not the one who's trolling.

I don't care about milton, you do. You're the one who beleives he is credible, so as I said already
Screw milton, show me his sources. Show me peer reviewed documentation that shows that he wasn't just flinging darts at a board blindfolded.

 

[Finger]

I'm still not sure why his death was brought up in the first place;

You brought it up when you posted a video about him. A video that intentionally leaves out details surrounding his death in order to leave a false impression.

You've done nothing but confirm Scalyblue's chart. You were perfectly willing to argue the point when you thought you had a few facts on your side, but the moment you were proven wrong, you conveniently forget your assertions and pretend that you're being treated unfairly.

 

[Niocan]

The entire point I was trying to make about Bill was:

Bill Cooper was jones' source for that prediction. (~2:50 onward if you're short on time)

That's it, and the linked video shows his radio broadcast at an earlier time then Alex's. That's all I wanted to show, but instead some urge within your psyche kicked in and it doesn't allow the merit of someones work to be taken by itself; So the few of you looked for some aspect of his life to pick out that proves, though only in your mind, that because of x action all statements of y are thus false.

You're only trolling yourselves.

 

[IBSpify]

and our point is that Alex Jones source is garbage, you can not claim that the US government has entered into a deal with aliens to give them land and livestock and expect to have any credibility left.

Therefor if you are going to use Alex Jones as a source make sure he did not get his information from a crackpot

 

[Laurens]

Not for one moment do I accept the conspiracy theory. It would require the co-operation of so many organisations from the government, to the media, to the NYC police and fire dept. I just don't see how such an awful and immoral operation could be carried out by such a vast number of people without anyone speaking out and bringing it to international attention. The conspiracy is like an enourmous snow ball, if anyone speaks out against their narrow version of the truth they simply add them to the list of conspirators, and the list grows and grows.

One may wish to check out http://www.911myths.com/ if you haven't done so already.

Best wishes
Laurens

 

[Niocan]

I wish I shared your trust of true human connectivity in the media and social structures, I really do...

 

[aeroeng314]

I wish I shared your trust of true human connectivity in the media and social structures, I really do...

Maybe if you didn't spend your apparently finite amount of trust on YouTube you'd have some left over to believe something reasonable. But it's okay that you don't, I don't mind thinking you're an idiot.

 

[Niocan]

Maybe if you didn't spend your apparently finite amount of trust on YouTube you'd have some left over to believe something reasonable. But it's okay that you don't, I don't mind thinking you're an idiot.

It's the inter and intra-personal actions and reactions that suggest to me why this society is the emergent crescendo of corruption, and the nature of the media created by said people are the voice and art of this grievance.

Though I don't mind if you choose to see otherwise <3

 

[Finger]

If your only sources of information on anything are the paranoid ravings of lunatics, then yes I can see how one would reach your conclusion. But those of us who prefer to live in reality still think you're a crackpot.

 

[Niocan]

In an insane world, it's the sane who seem insane.

 

[Master_Ghost_Knight]

Seriously dude, if 9/11 was indeed a goverment conspiracy and if i were to engineer it, I would get real suicidal Islamic extremists, to fly really hijacked planes, it would be simple, safe and effective, noone in their right mind would create an over elaborated plan to pull out such a feat (whit stunt pilots, stunt planes, stunt buildings) while that being more expensive and less effective.
Many people don't have anything else to do with their lifes then to create horse shit conspiracy theories like this, ask your self this, is it possible that who ever told you this stuff is wrong? And sense you have the habit of thrusting the word of people self entilted profets rather then sense, how many times does it take to show you that they are wrong before you start to doubt that maybe they are just fooling you?

 

[Niocan]

Seriously dude, if 9/11 was indeed a goverment conspiracy and if i were to engineer it, I would get real suicidal Islamic extremists, to fly really hijacked planes, it would be simple, safe and effective, noone in their right mind would create an over elaborated plan to pull out such a feat (whit stunt pilots, stunt planes, stunt buildings) while that being more expensive and less effective.

You seem to underestimate the need for such an event at that time.

Many people don't have anything else to do with their lifes then to create horse shit conspiracy theories like this, ask your self this, is it possible that who ever told you this stuff is wrong? And sense you have the habit of thrusting the word of people self entilted profets rather then sense, how many times does it take to show you that they are wrong before you start to doubt that maybe they are just fooling you?

Information is free, and I trust the evidence not the authority whom speaks the loudest.

How many more false flag operations do *you* need to witness before you start to realize that the trust you hold for the old institutions is based on psychological conditioning consented through your own apathy?

 

[scalyblue]

How do you know you can trust your "evidence?" Google could be altering it, after all. If the government is as good as you say they are, how do you know that the twin towers were really knocked down, have you been to the alleged ground zero?

It's a conspiracy!

 

[Niocan]

How can you trust yours? Is it because everyone around you accepts these facts? Is it because your metaphysical father (The government) says so and you're unconsciously afraid of the punishments that await if you don't? Is it because you fear to be different then your reality check?