9/11 & America's defence

[Nashy19]

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911stand.html?q=911stand.html

I was young at the time so I didn't see all the news reports afterwards.

Why weren't the planes stopped?

 

[TheFlyingBastard]

Because it was a conspiracy.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[ImprobableJoe]

:facepalm:

 

[Anachronous Rex]

Obviously it was the Freemason-Vatican-Jewish-Satanic-Reptilinoid-Illuminati Syndicate that order them to stand down.

 

[Nautyskin]

Conspiracy of the Gaps.

 

[DepricatedZero]

Obviously it was the Freemason-Vatican-Jewish-Satanic-Reptilinoid-Illuminati Syndicate that order them to stand down.

Don't forget the Daleks and the Reploids

 

[creamcheese]

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911stand.html?q=911stand.html

I was young at the time so I didn't see all the news reports afterwards.

Why weren't the planes stopped?

None of the above replies were very helpful assuming you really are looking for an answer. I don't actually know, but I would assume that it was unknown that the planes were hijacked and hence the military simply didn't respond. Accurate intelligence is half the battle.

Also, a plane deviating from a flight path presumably happens quite often, and the military only pays attention when they stray over restricted airspace. Even if they noticed, they would have to get approval from someone to shoot down a civilian airliner. Would you have the balls to do that if your weren't 100% sure of what it was going to do later in the flight?

 

[lrkun]

At that time, I think they might have believed that no one will do such an act. Imagine pearl harbour.

 

[borrofburi]

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911stand.html?q=911stand.html

I was young at the time so I didn't see all the news reports afterwards.

Why weren't the planes stopped?

None of the above replies were very helpful assuming you really are looking for an answer. I don't actually know, but I would assume that it was unknown that the planes were hijacked and hence the military simply didn't respond. Accurate intelligence is half the battle.

Also, a plane deviating from a flight path presumably happens quite often, and the military only pays attention when they stray over restricted airspace. Even if they noticed, they would have to get approval from someone to shoot down a civilian airliner. Would you have the balls to do that if your weren't 100% sure of what it was going to do later in the flight?

This is mostly my understanding.

Moreover *my* first questions about 9/11 was why the people on the flight didn't do anything: box cutters or knives can be beaten in a fight, especially if enough people rush them, and if you're going to die anyway, might as well try to make sure your death keeps thousands of others alive.

The answer I was given (that I accepted) was that the people on the flights didn't know *why* they were being hijacked: common wisdom at the time was "if you're in a hostage situation just do whatever they say and let the professionals get you out of the situation" (and the common wisdom still is that, we've just added "but if it's a terrorist attack, then it's not a hostage situation, it's much worse"). The one flight that was able to make calls home was able to find out "hey, they're not hijacking us for any reason, they want to use the vehicle we're on as a weapon... we're going to die anyway... we need to stop them", and they did.

Similarly, if you're in the military, even if you know the plane is hijacked, especially if you're doing this before 9/11 ever happened: your primary concern is how to deal with this hostage situation. It's easy in hindsight to say "holy shit, it was obvious that these planes were a terrorist attack that were flying to the world trade center", but damn is it really not easy to say that while you're in the situation. Even after the first plane hits the world trade center: maybe it was a mistake, maybe it was a rogue pilot who went a little crazy and tried to fly between them or something, or maybe a drunk pilot; or maybe it was a plane that was trying to leave united airspace (hijacked), but there was a struggle on board and the hijackers were overpowered and during the struggle the plane accidentally crashed into the WTC, and now the second flight really is going to leave the country. Basically: there's a very large number of possibilities, add to that the panic and stress of the situation, as well as the fear for being blamed (fired, media circus-ed, paparazzi-ed, career ruined, court marshaled and probably charged with murder, etc.) for ordering military jets to kill a civilian airliner and you have a recipe for "I'm not sure enough to bet that I won't spend my entire life in prison".

 

[Logic-Nanaki]

I'm not 100% certain if this is correct, but i can take it as a possibility. but inside the cockpit there's a switch to turn off the ID-tag so it's just a little dot on a radar-screen that cannot be checked unless an operator manually selects that target. and i can only guess that there is a lot of planes in the sky at any given moment.

That at least was possible several years ago as my father said was possible when he was a radar-operator
how it is now i don't know.
but it's a plausible thought how they could sneak away from the screen until it was too late to find them, and that is not considering the chaos that would go on when there are 4 planes suddenly gone missing.

but i am in no way any authority in this subject. just giving my 2 cents that i have been thinking about for a little while. any thoughts of the plausibility of this happening during 9/11?

 

[TheFlyingBastard]

I'm not 100% certain if this is correct, but i can take it as a possibility. but inside the cockpit there's a switch to turn off the ID-tag so it's just a little dot on a radar-screen that cannot be checked unless an operator manually selects that target. and i can only guess that there is a lot of planes in the sky at any given moment.

This is true. Aircraft apparently send out a certain signal which can be switched off. Even if its being detected by civilian ATCs, they're going to have to establish something is wrong and then call to... what's it? NORAD? who has their radar dishes pointed outward to check for incoming shit.

But we all know it was the Jews anyway so whatever.

 

[wolfeedarkfang]

Hey um i didn't want to post a new topic for this since theres this one here already, but i got one of these 9/11 conspiracy believers posting on one of my vids on youtube and i want to know what else i can say to counter him in case he makes a reply. I've seen many videos on youtube that disprove a lot of the conspiracy stuff, but i never bothered to bookmark or fav them because i didn't think i would ever need them. Here is his post, my reply, and the link to the comment section of the video. I must also point out that the video is not about 9/11 and he was responding to a post by another user who just made a quick mention of 9/11 in a comment. Was this a attempt to derail the discussion, or should i leave it like it is? I've already countered him, but he may come back with "Show me proof!!!!1". Then i'll have to waste an hour of my time digging up videos that he will most likely not watch.

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</i>purplewolfpimp: if you think is was terist it was , and it weas your own govement. And if you dont beleave me , watch this vidoe link im giving you , and the sec to the firstone. ,

wolfeedarkfang: It was not the government. Sounds like someones been listening to the 9/11 conspiracy nutjobs... Every claim those guys ever made, has been debunked by critical thinkers here on youtube, as well as on national television. We already have a ton of proof it was Al-Qaeda who did it., They even admitted to it. This is the reason for all the muslim hate we deal with these days. Religious extremists acting under the misguided view of their own faith caused 9/11.

http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=WAX42RqYg8Q

I'm positive i'm right in my response to him. Wasn't it bin laden in those video tapes going "yes i did it i'll keel u allz, ala hu akbar *boom*"? well thats not what he said but you know what i'm talking about. Some of these conspiracy guys i swear would never believe anything until bin laden himself walks up and stabs them.

 

[borrofburi]

purplewolfpimp: if you think is was terist it was , and it weas your own govement. And if you dont beleave me , watch this vidoe link im giving you , and the sec to the firstone. ,

I wouldn't even bother responding.

 

[wolfeedarkfang]

purplewolfpimp: if you think is was terist it was , and it weas your own govement. And if you dont beleave me , watch this vidoe link im giving you , and the sec to the firstone. ,

I wouldn't even bother responding.

I'll just leave it alone then. Now that i reread all the typing mistakes that guy made, it kinda gives me a good idea why he believes the conspiracies...

 

[Laurens]

Hey um i didn't want to post a new topic for this since theres this one here already, but i got one of these 9/11 conspiracy believers posting on one of my vids on youtube and i want to know what else i can say to counter him in case he makes a reply. I've seen many videos on youtube that disprove a lot of the conspiracy stuff, but i never bothered to bookmark or fav them because i didn't think i would ever need them. Here is his post, my reply, and the link to the comment section of the video. I must also point out that the video is not about 9/11 and he was responding to a post by another user who just made a quick mention of 9/11 in a comment. Was this a attempt to derail the discussion, or should i leave it like it is? I've already countered him, but he may come back with "Show me proof!!!!1". Then i'll have to waste an hour of my time digging up videos that he will most likely not watch.

<i>
</i>purplewolfpimp: if you think is was terist it was , and it weas your own govement. And if you dont beleave me , watch this vidoe link im giving you , and the sec to the firstone. ,

wolfeedarkfang: It was not the government. Sounds like someones been listening to the 9/11 conspiracy nutjobs... Every claim those guys ever made, has been debunked by critical thinkers here on youtube, as well as on national television. We already have a ton of proof it was Al-Qaeda who did it., They even admitted to it. This is the reason for all the muslim hate we deal with these days. Religious extremists acting under the misguided view of their own faith caused 9/11.

http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments=1&v=WAX42RqYg8Q

I'm positive i'm right in my response to him. Wasn't it bin laden in those video tapes going "yes i did it i'll keel u allz, ala hu akbar *boom*"? well thats not what he said but you know what i'm talking about. Some of these conspiracy guys i swear would never believe anything until bin laden himself walks up and stabs them.

I made a few videos debunking some 9/11 conspiracies and I get a shit load of comments from those guys. Best off just ignoring them really

 

[TheFlyingBastard]

I've already countered him, but he may come back with "Show me proof!!!!1". Then i'll have to waste an hour of my time digging up videos that he will most likely not watch.

For future reference: let them prove their outrageous claim. With studies. Not essays on blogs or websites. Studies.

 

[MRaverz]

Why weren't the planes stopped?

Bush was in power.

His middle name being 'inept'.

 

[DepricatedZero]

but it's a plausible thought how they could sneak away from the screen until it was too late to find them, and that is not considering the chaos that would go on when there are 4 planes suddenly gone missing.

but i am in no way any authority in this subject. just giving my 2 cents that i have been thinking about for a little while. any thoughts of the plausibility of this happening during 9/11?

Interesting, but also, a note on the 4 planes suddenly going missing. Particularly if the above is true.


4 planes going missing wouldn't necessarily raise alarm bells, at that time. Think about it from a technical perspective - what's more likely: a mechanical or software malfunction with the terminal or comm system, or a terrorist plot? Even now we'd assume a malfunction first.

When a problem occurs affecting a single user, it is generally a problem with the user's equipment or the user itself. When a problem occurs affecting multiple users, it is typically a shared resource that is causing the problem. With 4 planes vanishing, yes the flight control operators were trying to track down the planes - but it was likely they were searching under the assumption that their equipment was malfunctioning - not that 4 planes had been hijacked in a coordinated effort. That's probably why they didn't jump on declaring the planes compromised - it was expected that the problem would resolve without incident and the planes would be located on their expected courses.

Even when the first plane hit it was presumed a mechanical malfunction and bemoaned as a tragic accident, right up until the second one hit. I was watching the coverage of the tragic plane crash -when- the second plane hit on live tv. It was only then that it was realized to be a coordinated attack.

It seems unreasonable to assume that a problem affecting 4 planes is a terrorist attack by default. In fact it seems unreasonable to assume that any apparent system failure is a terrorist attack by default. It's like the cops in Cincinnati who sent the bomb squad to investigate a "suspicious package" left on the side of a grocery store. Guess what it was: a paper bag filled with groceries that someone had dropped. :facepalm: