I've seen so many arrogant people like this declare it all a big to do about nothing... until they or their loved ones are laying on their backs breathing only with the aid of machines... then they learn their arrogance doesn't protect them from reality.
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I've seen so many arrogant people like this declare it all a big to do about nothing... until they or their loved ones are laying on their backs breathing only with the aid of machines... then they learn their arrogance doesn't protect them from reality.
Seems to me your defensive response suggests you aren't capable of demonstrating it.
I've never owned a TV either.
Ok, my mistake - it's just that you are mimicking exactly the kind of disinformation presented on Fox.
Zero, despite my main job being to create tv and film, I haven't watched TV in.... 30 years?
Led Zeppelin
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I can understand you. The problem I have is I dont know of anyone who has died from covid19. Not only that but I don't know anyone who is friend or relative of someone who has died from corona. Of course if I knew 6 people who died from it, I would feel differently. How can I be arrogant if my choices are influenced by my environment?
Led Zeppelin
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How do you know what is being presented on Fox? They don't seem to be a major online news aggregator. I seriously would not be able to know anything even by accident about Fox. I dont think they have it in Germany. What disinformation from Fox is like something I have said?
Led Zeppelin
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How the hell am I supposed to demonstrate that I am not at risk of dying from airborne illness except by not dying from them?
Greg the Grouper
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Can we say that I count? My mother's best friend, and my girlfriend's aunt both died due to complications resulting from covid-19. My girlfriend also worked in an ICU, and I've had to watch her collapse emotionally from the stress of having to work in garbage bag clothes and explain to families that she can't get them a final moment with a dying loved one because she has two other dying patients she has to deal with.
But this all comes back to everyone's criticisms concerning your habit of extrapolating about the nature of the world based on your own narrow perception of it.
Led Zeppelin
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I would say yes this counts. I guess hackenslash and Ness would say it counts for nothing because its anecdotal. I think that is truely assholish behavoir on web forum. They are cowards.
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he_who_is_nobody
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What else are you expecting from a bad faith actor?
Greg the Grouper
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They're telling you that extrapolating from a personal experience isn't going to give you an accurate picture of the world at large, and as such isn't a reliable means of determining what is and is not true, not that your personal experience has no worth whatsoever.
Empathy?
Because that demonstrates nothing.
The fact that you're alive doesn't demonstrate that something is not dangerous, or that you're not at risk from it.
Were we to employ that same logic elsewhere, then nothing is dangerous - nothing at all - because you haven't died from it.
That you haven't been killed in a car accident doesn't mean that car accidents aren't dangerous, or that you aren't at risk of being killed in a car accident. The risk depends somewhat on your exposure, so if you studiously avoid ever going near a road, then your risk would definitely be lower (although still non-zero) but it would still remain a danger and a risk to everyone who can't avoid roads.
So the request for you to demonstrate your contention was as much to have you recognize that it's irrational. Your risk of catching covid 19 depends on a number of factors, but not least, your exposure to it. Guess what cheap and readily available commodity helps somewhat with respect to your exposure to covid 19? A small and easy way to still be able to traverse the convenienices of the modern public world while also minimizing your exposure? Yes, a mask. It's not perfect, but it helps substantially.
YT mostly.
Your general stance about covid expressed in this and I believe another thread is functionally identical.
You're on the internet.
Sorry to hear that.Mmm... that looks twisted intentionally to me.
Of course, no one suggests that anecdotes count for nothing - when finding out about how someone else's life works, what problems they encounter, what joys they discover etc., then of course anecdotes are the only thing that exists.
What rational people don't allow is for anecdotes to act as proof of the existence of unobservable entities.
Nice try though, I guess, although got a bit of a sociopathic quality to it, tbf.
Wow.
Yeah, that's hard to conceive of in any charitable light. Nasty.
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Uhm ...!
Btw. some more historical relevant information, we actually managed to root out Small Pox with a vaccination campaign, but didnt with the Measles, cause not enough people got vaccinated. Might wanna take the approach we did for Small Pox when dealing with the Corona vaccination and not the Measles approach.
Of course thats we did for Cholera, Small Pox and Measles. Over and over and over again actually ... especially Cholera was so bad, that it was called "King Cholera" in the UK and everytime an outbreak happened, people hid in their homes till it was over. Thats why it was "King Cholera" ... cause when it came to the country, it ruled supreme.
For the most time, we had no vaccine, no proper medication and had to deal with it with simple measures. A year ago, we were in the same situation for Corona. And thats when, pretty much everyone screwed up(except for Taiwan, Japan, New Zeeland, Greenland and a few more) and they all said "They were suprised", that Corona was "unprecedented" and they did not have time to respond properly. Freaking liars, there was plenty precedent and any historian could have told you, what actions to take.
Just to make that completly clear, I was talking about the initial response, the time when we could have beaten it.
Sidenote: We didnt beat Cholera with a vaccine though, but just with proper sanitation.
A historian got much more information than that. Any historian can cite dozens over dozens of outbreaks over the course of history and the responses to them, especially if he is specialized in medievil times. And most importantly, can tell you what worked and what did not. We have been dealing with Cholera, Small Pox, Measles etc. for thousands of years now and taken many different approaches to deal with it.
Btw. some more historical relevant information, we actually managed to root out Small Pox with a vaccination campaign, but didnt with the Measles, cause not enough people got vaccinated. Might wanna take the approach we did for Small Pox when dealing with the Corona vaccination and not the Measles approach.
Of course thats we did for Cholera, Small Pox and Measles. Over and over and over again actually ... especially Cholera was so bad, that it was called "King Cholera" in the UK and everytime an outbreak happened, people hid in their homes till it was over. Thats why it was "King Cholera" ... cause when it came to the country, it ruled supreme.
For the most time, we had no vaccine, no proper medication and had to deal with it with simple measures. A year ago, we were in the same situation for Corona. And thats when, pretty much everyone screwed up(except for Taiwan, Japan, New Zeeland, Greenland and a few more) and they all said "They were suprised", that Corona was "unprecedented" and they did not have time to respond properly. Freaking liars, there was plenty precedent and any historian could have told you, what actions to take.
Just to make that completly clear, I was talking about the initial response, the time when we could have beaten it.
Sidenote: We didnt beat Cholera with a vaccine though, but just with proper sanitation.
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Nesslig20
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I think it's even more fucking stupid that you think I did that.
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He is not completly wrong though hack.
That you and me are alife, is good evidence that there have been no highly contagious, deadly, airborne diseases yet, since that would have wiped humanity off the face of the earth.
Doesnt mean there cant be in the future, since we actually have highly contagious, deadly, airborne diseases that affect certain kinds of animals.
No point worrying about it though, since well ... if our response to Corona has shown anything, its that we are gonna be absolutely fucked, if anything serious comes around.
That you and me are alife, is good evidence that there have been no highly contagious, deadly, airborne diseases yet, since that would have wiped humanity off the face of the earth.
Doesnt mean there cant be in the future, since we actually have highly contagious, deadly, airborne diseases that affect certain kinds of animals.
No point worrying about it though, since well ... if our response to Corona has shown anything, its that we are gonna be absolutely fucked, if anything serious comes around.