Simple question, what's the reason islam was founded. Is it because when christianity and judaism reached the arabian regions the jewish and chrstian religious leaders realized the culture was completely different and teaching people about a religion they can't relate to won't work. So they made an arabic version. Is it possible that's the reason?
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Why did islam get founded?
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ArthurWilborn
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... What? No - the area was under the influence of a non-Christian religion at the time. The religion of Islam is the cult of personality of Mohammed. Do at least a little research. :facepalm:
ArthurWilborn said:
I know that at that time the area was under the influence of a non-christian religion and that muhammed is basically the main character of Islam besides allah.
But why does it have so many similarities with christianity and fits with the other 2 abrahamic religions? I would figure there was some christian or jewish influence, for that to happen there would have to be people spreading around the christian or jewish word. A whole region wouldn't just switch to a different religion just because a few guys follow some warlord. Either christianity or judaism would have to be a serious threat. Unless I'm wrong ofcourse, that's why I'm asking it.
not sure if there is actually an answer for it or that it matters.
perhaps mohammed was just a big douche who wanted power, much like hitler.
perhaps the question should be rephrased, why was islam more succesfull then christianity and judaism in the middle eastern world of 600 A.D. ?
perhaps mohammed was just a big douche who wanted power, much like hitler.
perhaps the question should be rephrased, why was islam more succesfull then christianity and judaism in the middle eastern world of 600 A.D. ?
ArthurWilborn
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Leà§i said:
Well, in general terms, Mohammed tried to gain credibility for his new religion by looking for support from Jewish scholars, who were held in high regard at the time. They turned him down flat - explaining why Islam has antisemitism built into its bones.
ArthurWilborn
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Leà§i said:
He was trying to gain credibility for his new religion. :roll: It's probable that Mohammed was OCD to some extent, so some of the Jewish dietary restrictions and ritual cleanliness appealed to him.
Prolescum
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Mohammed noticed that God hadn't spoken to the Arabs in quite some time, so went and sat in a cave until God spoke to him.
Bear in mind that, like the Torah and the Bible before it, the Qur'an was written by followers some time later (after lots of arguing), and is anything but verbatim, despite what Muslims tend to believe; Mohammed was illiterate.
People began to follow him because after some initial failure, Mohammed's cult started winning battles against the city states (Medina etc), and simple-minded people from that era were convinced that he had the mighty YHWH on his side. Once the merchant class was on-board with the idea, it was just a matter of time before the old guard fell. Mohammed dies, Muslims became dominant, Caliphs are usurped, Islam splits into factions.
Bear in mind that, like the Torah and the Bible before it, the Qur'an was written by followers some time later (after lots of arguing), and is anything but verbatim, despite what Muslims tend to believe; Mohammed was illiterate.
People began to follow him because after some initial failure, Mohammed's cult started winning battles against the city states (Medina etc), and simple-minded people from that era were convinced that he had the mighty YHWH on his side. Once the merchant class was on-board with the idea, it was just a matter of time before the old guard fell. Mohammed dies, Muslims became dominant, Caliphs are usurped, Islam splits into factions.
ShootMyMonkey
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Hm. I was under the impression that most Muslims knew that Mohammed was illiterate. I recall that the story goes that he dictated to teams of scribes, who also went on to write their own narratives and hadiths. Moreover, most of them seem to remember him as a warrior first, which is a profession that never afforded something like "book learning."Prolescum said:
If anything, the majority of people in the Middle East were illiterate in those days, anyway, so unless Mohammed was down on record as being a trained scribe, the likelihood that he was in any way literate is virtually zero. That's why the profession of scribe existed in the first place. It's also why Hitchens always used to joke about how Yahweh never seemed to offer revelations to people in, say, China where the majority of the populace of the era were actually quite literate.
atheisthistorian
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Let's not forget that Islam's religious power owes so much to its military and political power. Mohammed was just a "me-too" guy who wanted to give the Arabs their own monotheistic revelation. The fact that his Bedouin allies won so many battles and then established a political empire is the real reason Islam took hold. Just like all conqueror religions. Why do you think the biggest factional divide in Islam regards how the successors of the Caliphate (a government which no longer exists) should be chosen?
Anachronous Rex
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Why did it get founded? Because cults are profitable enterprises.
Why did it spread? Because the Sassanid Persians and Byzantine Greeks had exhausted each other militarily, and were vulnerable to attack.
Easy.
Why did it spread? Because the Sassanid Persians and Byzantine Greeks had exhausted each other militarily, and were vulnerable to attack.
Easy.