Understanding The Venus Project and RBE

[he_who_is_nobody]

Citation please. To the actual experiment, not the talk by Fresco.

Sounds too good to be true,right? Looks like 3D printers are currently used rather to create practice organs and implants for surgery, not for the process itself. So there's a lot of Google results to go through. I wonder if it was just a macabre experiment of some medical student. Corpses can't get better, after all. I'd love to know more about 3D printers, if that's even a technical possibility, sufficient resolution of movement and so on.
I've got a lot of interesting odd news items in my head that got stuck there months and years ago and they just pop out when the time's right.
Sorry, I've been busy and continue to be busy, because of exams at school, googling and fact checking everything is too much right now. Even the post for MGK is hanging in there, I don't have time to fix it, there's triple quote somewhere in it.
(if I didn't know all ten fingers writing, I couldn't reply at all)

Thus, you do not have a citation for this claim and you are just spreading hearsay around as if it were actually true. Just let that sink in for a bit before you rush off on your next extraordinary claim with no extraordinary evidence.

 

[Armitage]

Thus, you do not have a citation for this claim and you are just spreading hearsay around as if it were actually true. Just let that sink in for a bit before you rush off on your next extraordinary claim with no extraordinary evidence.

Yes, I have no evidence that Fresco actually said that, yet I said that he said that. My mistake.
I should not spread hearsay about Fresco.
I can only say on my defense that I did so against very confusing allegations that modern medicine is impossible without capitalism.

 

[he_who_is_nobody]

Thus, you do not have a citation for this claim and you are just spreading hearsay around as if it were actually true. Just let that sink in for a bit before you rush off on your next extraordinary claim with no extraordinary evidence.

Yes, I have no evidence that Fresco actually said that, yet I said that he said that. My mistake.
I should not spread hearsay about Fresco.
I can only say on my defense that I did so against very confusing allegations that modern medicine is impossible without capitalism.

Keep this post in mind next time he claims he is not promoting Frescoism.

Furthermore, claims made without evidence can, and will, be dismissed without evidence. Thus, your claim about a 3D printing surgeon is dismissed until evidence is provided.

 

[IBSpify]

Thus, you do not have a citation for this claim and you are just spreading hearsay around as if it were actually true. Just let that sink in for a bit before you rush off on your next extraordinary claim with no extraordinary evidence.

Yes, I have no evidence that Fresco actually said that, yet I said that he said that. My mistake.
I should not spread hearsay about Fresco.
I can only say on my defense that I did so against very confusing allegations that modern medicine is impossible without capitalism.

nobody cares if Fresco said that or not, whether Fresco said that of not is not the evidence HWIN was asking about, He ws asing about the evidence that Fresco's claim is even plausible, of which you have no evidence.

again, please try and wait till you can provide more then a "Wouldn't it be cool if.....?" statement, nobody gives 2 shits about Fresco or what he says, if there is no evidence behind the claim it means nothing at all

 

[Armitage]

nobody cares if Fresco said that or not, whether Fresco said that of not is not the evidence HWIN was asking about, He ws asing about the evidence that Fresco's claim is even plausible, of which you have no evidence.

again, please try and wait till you can provide more then a "Wouldn't it be cool if.....?" statement, nobody gives 2 shits about Fresco or what he says, if there is no evidence behind the claim it means nothing at all

Yep, if I had evidence, I'd post it. I regret that people thought I claim it as a fact, it wasn't literally spelled out, but this is how people understand figures of speech. My thinking got slower than writing (all ten fingers, as I said).

In my experience, evidence means very little. At most it gets people shut up, but they don't change their behavior. Interest, curiosity and desire to solve problems is more effective. I don't want to argue over finer points or technical details. Just like the theory of evolution was not proven or disproven by a single piece of fossil, so is TVP independent on any single possible or impossible technology. All the buildings and city designs may change completely the moment someone invents a better design. TVP is not a particular form of technology, it is a method of using any technology we have or will have.

 

[he_who_is_nobody]

nobody cares if Fresco said that or not, whether Fresco said that of not is not the evidence HWIN was asking about, He ws asing about the evidence that Fresco's claim is even plausible, of which you have no evidence.

again, please try and wait till you can provide more then a "Wouldn't it be cool if.....?" statement, nobody gives 2 shits about Fresco or what he says, if there is no evidence behind the claim it means nothing at all

Yep, if I had evidence, I'd post it. I regret that people thought I claim it as a fact, it wasn't literally spelled out, but this is how people understand figures of speech. My thinking got slower than writing (all ten fingers, as I said).

Are you seriously claiming that when you said this:

Armitage[/url]"]BTW, I heard Fresco once speaking about something... He spoke about an experiment. Scientists took 3D printer, and put a scalpel on the head. Then they hooked it up to a computer with software with a detailed brain scan. Then they had put a corpse with brain tumor into the printer. The scalpel did the surgery extremely precisely and 10x faster than is the usual time. You think you're going to see this on the market? No, that would put neuro-surgeons out of work! Is it dangerous and untested on live subjects? Sure. About as dangerous as having a brain tumor.

You meant it as a figure of speech? Perhaps this is because English is your second language, but that is not a figure of speech. It comes off as a factual claim. It also seems that you are simply trying to save face at this point.

 

[australopithecus]

For clarification, "There's plenty more fish in the sea." is a figure of speech. A paragraph claiming an event happened is not, nor ever will be, a figure of speech.

 

[Dragan Glas]

Greetings,

Having trawled through this ... topic, I'd like to make a couple of points.

With all due respect, Armitage, a number of others have been patiently trying to point out that you're not as knowledgeable as you believe - or, perhaps, pretend!?

The following disparate posts are an example:

Armitage[/url]"]This is why there is no human nature. Humans have no nature, except the huge capacity to believe and copy cultures and ideas and behaviors they see as their own.

Armitage[/url]"]Surely there are individual variations, but humanity is so interbred, that it averages out. Fresco places more emphasis on epigenetics, the changes during pre-natal development that switch certain genes on and off depending on how the mother feels. If the mother experiences lots of stress and malnutrition, it affects the baby epigenetically. For example, stress means increased testosteron levels and testosteron makes the developing brain more left-hemisphere-oriented, more "male", more autistic, oriented at systems and problem-solving instead of forming social bonds. Epigenetics can be inherited, but it's not set in stone. Another argument in favor of engineering the environment, new generations in a favorable environment will be literally different people.

The only area where I'd believe genetic aggresivity plays a role would be the Yanomamo tribes in Venezuela, where 40 % of adults used to participate in a homicide and stealing women, thus passing 2,5 times more of their genes forward.

Armitage[/url]"]Because most jobs only serve to earn money and money serve to get basic standard of living and beyond that they don't increase happiness very much. Marginal utility of money is hell of a decreasing one, THAT's human nature and Maslow's pyramid in practice. Jobs can be stacked as a Maslow's pyramid as well as human needs.

[...]

The behavioral aspect is extremely important in TVP. TVP aims to re-design all the human culture. You would surely say this is impossible, because of human nature. I would argue there is no human nature - or rather it is indiscernible in an average person and great human capacity to perpetuate the culture. I say the nurture is for all practical purposes stronger than nature and easily malleable by the design of environment, such as TVP.
Maybe we can't change human nature, but we can change human nurture easily enough. The problems of humanity are caused by a bad environment and its resulting psychotic culture. If anything, human nature is a great capacity to behave in any way imaginable, including the healthy, social, well-adjusted ways you find impossible.

These may well be explained by another couple of contradictory posts:

Armitage[/url]"]I am actually a very rare person on Earth, a white young male with university education, from technologic society, knowing a foreign language fluently.

Armitage[/url]"]Sorry, I've been busy and continue to be busy, because of exams at school, googling and fact checking everything is too much right now.

:?

I'd suggest you read a number of books on the subject of human nature:

Ridley's [2011] Nature Via Nurture
Pagel's [2013] Wired For Culture
Dunbar, Lycett and Barrett [2005] Evolutionary Psychology
Buss [2011] Evolutionary Psychology
Small [1999] Our Babies, Ourselves

Kindest regards,

James