australopithecus
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It's not a bad idea, it's just that there needs to be a line in the sand after which you've basically sealed your own fate.
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he_who_is_nobody said:Since when did this forum start believing trolls were human and not the subhuman scum the rest of the internet know them to be?
I thought the unspoken rule of this forum (because it has been slow) was trolls were tolerated until things got out of hand, than the troll would be banned, since it is obviously the trolls fault. When did this forum start privileging trolls over members?
he_who_is_nobody said:Second, of course the troll is a human being, of course hackenslash wish death upon him, so what? I never knew so many people had such thin skin on this forum.
Prolescum said:...and I've never seen you so belligerent or unnecessarily disrespectful. I guess we've all learned things from this experience, eh?
australopithecus said:he_who_is_nobody said:Second, of course the troll is a human being, of course hackenslash wish death upon him, so what? I never knew so many people had such thin skin on this forum.
It's not about "thin skin", it's about what is acceptable and what isn't. Wishing death on people isn't acceptable, it's just being a dick.
But it isn't a victim-less crime when you call for the death of a particular individual. There is a victim, the person who's life has been put into question.he_who_is_nobody said:Being a dick to a troll is like blaspheming; they are both victimless crimes.
he_who_is_nobody said:I honestly do not see the problem. Being a dick to a troll is like blaspheming; they are both victimless crimes.
Gnug215 said:Is Bernard a troll because he's here to deliberately piss us off?
Or is he a troll because he disagrees with us (with, to us, very stupid ideas and convictions)?
Master_Ghost_Knight said:But it isn't a victim-less crime when you call for the death of a particular individual. There is a victim, the person who's life has been put into question.
Just imagine this, what would you think if a creationist came to this forum a wished death upon you, how would you react?
If you think they should be banned when the abuse is direct at you, the same rule should apply when it is direct at others. The same protections and treatment should be extend to all users period, not just the ones you like.
itsdemtitans said:Gnug215 said:Is Bernard a troll because he's here to deliberately piss us off?
Or is he a troll because he disagrees with us (with, to us, very stupid ideas and convictions)?
I'm honestly not sure which he falls under. Remember when he returned before, saying his only motivation was to force me to atheism? I don't know what was up with that, but it seems like it's deliberate trolling to me.
he_who_is_nobody said:I stopped reading his posts after that and have only been reading what others are quoting, but apparently since than he left of list of insults directed at itsdemtitans, is that correct?
Bernhard.visscher said:here is my assessment of you at this point:
You are an idiot because of your assertion evolution is a forensic science has no presuppositions
You are a petulant child because of your whining I am being insulting
You are ignorant because you can't even accept evolution is a belief when clearly every evolutionary fossil is half or over half imagination
You are arrogant because you assert things without evidence and claiming in various ways that is the truth
You are blind because you see a picture of a whale with appendages and simply claim legs when in fact they deny the very definition of leg.
The list is long and infamous... If you wish for more just ask.
Gnug215 said:I really, REALLY think we should all just agree to the "correct" and "original" definition of a troll, namely someone who deliberately says inflammatory things for the hell of it.
So basically, a troll is someone who ACTS stupid and offensive, but isn't really so.
As I see it, Bernhard.visscher actually believes the unbelievably stupid crap he spouts, and as such, he is NOT a troll.
Gnug215 said:Besides, it's not that fucking hard to stop fucking insulting people or saying "fucking" every other fucking word. My mouth may not have a backspace key, but my keyboard fucking does! One even has to click another button to post a post, and one can even edit a post if it contains some insult.
Prolescum said:HWIN, when I said I've never seen you so belligerent and unnecessarily disrespectful, I meant to emphasise that I was surprised by your tone and ferocity here; they did (and do) seem somewhat out of character to me. It wasn't meant to give offense or imply there was any ill will on my part, and I apologise if you construed it that way.
Prolescum said:As I say above though, I disagree with your assessment of this whole mud pie.
he_who_is_nobody said:Gnug215 said:I really, REALLY think we should all just agree to the "correct" and "original" definition of a troll, namely someone who deliberately says inflammatory things for the hell of it.
So basically, a troll is someone who ACTS stupid and offensive, but isn't really so.
As I see it, Bernhard.visscher actually believes the unbelievably stupid crap he spouts, and as such, he is NOT a troll.
Oh, so you know Bernhard.visscher in meat space? You sat down with him and had some tea to understand his whole outlook on life? Short of that, I am not sure how you or anyone else can tell if someone is acting or not when they leave comments on the internet. That is why that clause in the definition of a troll has never made sense to me. For all you know, every offensive ignorant asshole you have ever come across online could have been honest with themselves (e.g. my future president). Honestly, it is the "being stupid and offensive" part of the definition that should matter. Those traits are things one is able to see just from their posts. That is why I have always maintained that whether or not a person actually believes what they are saying or not does not matter, it is their actions that should gets one classified as a troll. We cannot tell if someone is acting, but we can see what their actions are.
Last year, I went around and around with dandan, who is probably just as dense as Bernhard.visscher. Someone being obtuse is not the problem and if anything, I was the one that was being offensive, since I kept making fun of his memory. Is dandan honest in his belief? I do not know, but he was not a troll. Is Bernhard.visscher honest in his belief? I do not know, but his offensive nature makes him a troll.
Gnug215 said:Besides, it's not that fucking hard to stop fucking insulting people or saying "fucking" every other fucking word. My mouth may not have a backspace key, but my keyboard fucking does! One even has to click another button to post a post, and one can even edit a post if it contains some insult.
Gnug215 said:... I said "as I see it."
Besides, I'm not the one who's already put a label on him. So the highly sarcastic put down you just tried to apply to me actually applies to you.
Gnug215 said:And what kind of irrational overraction is this from you anyway? Is something wrong, or what?
Gnug215 said:I was swearing to make a point. Swearing was NOT the point. The point was insults. Swearing is not really against the rules, insults are to some extent. Either way, bo
Gnug215 said:So again, off the mark. Uncharacteristically so.
he_who_is_nobody said:I guess I missed the mark of that comment (mostly because I have been beating around the bush: I hope the above clarifies that), but I am not sure why everyone thinks this is so uncharacteristic. I am super passionate about what I believe, loyal, and autistic. This seems exactly inline with my character.
he_who_is_nobody said:I guess a point I have been failing to make, that is because I have been beating around the bush, is what is the cut off?