Dragan Glas
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Greetings,
If individuals have an issue - they've suffered abuse, for example - they need to get counselling, rather than insist that no-one can mention/discuss abuse. One of the articles Coyne penned involved demands for trigger warnings on Ovid.
The problem with this is that unless it's patently obvious what might cause offence/distress - like news footage of a disaster involving dead bodies - you won't know what any listeners'/viewers'/students' "triggers" are going to be: this means you'd have to give a broad warning that "this material/subject may contain *something* that could trigger a reaction" - in other words, anything in the subject matter might cause offence/distress.
If creationists came here and said that we can't discuss evolution, question religious beliefs, etc, would we have to stop or give "trigger warnings" any/every time we're about to say something "hurtful"? Would that be practical - nevermind make sense?
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Update: Whilst previewing my reply, I've just seen your last regarding your son. This helps explain your own concerns, SpecialFrog - which are perfectly understandable, given your son's medically-diagnosed condition. Anyone, including myself, would tread carefully in such circumstances.
However, we can't say the same of students in general - a medical condition (physical or psychological) is understandable, and of course one would have to be sensitive to such individuals.
But all students? A lecturer might ask a class if there are any students who've experienced abuse first before discussing a work of literature that includes such - like Ovid. But I think this is taking things to extremes. We did Ovid in school - not high school! - amongst other classics without anyone clutching their hearts in shock. :shock:
I think the real clincher here is that the Bible - like other religious texts - are littered with offensive material: there are no protests at these colleges over those, are there? :roll:
Kindest regards,
James
The protests, as I noted earlier, were not against Trump or racism. As Coyne noted, what if someone had written "Sanders" on the path? Would that justify protests saying that they were "in pain" at seeing his name written on the path, and felt "threatened"? This is hardly on the same level as seeing the word "ISIS", is it?SpecialFrog said:Again, Donald Trump is running a campaign explicitly targeting certain minorities and that more-or-less openly courts white supremacists.Dragan Glas said:They weren't protesting against Trump - they were "in pain" because someone wrote his name on a pathway, and felt "threatened".
Additionally, Trump and Trump iconography have been explicitly used as racially-motivated taunts.
Why is it unreasonable to expect the university administration to stand against racism?
The main article is here. The list of "trigger warning" articles is here.SpecialFrog said:Citation needed for the underlined bit.Dragan Glas said:Coyne has been reporting on a series of such protests on US campuses regarding demands from students who appear unable to cope with other views - one of which demands is for trigger warnings before anyone - particularly faculty - says anything with which they disagree.
Views with which they disagree - not the mere existence of another view.SpecialFrog said:And the First Amendment allows for people to protest views with which they disagree. What's your point?Dragan Glas said:This is an example of the sort of other views to which they're protesting - completely ignoring and/or forgetting that the First Amendment allows such.
HereSpecialFrog said:Citation needed.Dragan Glas said:The demands for trigger warnings are a way to prevent other views, including science - like evolution.
If those attending colleges are unable to cope with the Big Wide World, then perhaps they're not ready for college.SpecialFrog said:Clearly you have an answer to those questions. What is it?Dragan Glas said:Bearing in mind that If faculty have to give warnings to students whenever they're giving a lecture on this or that topic, what does that say about free and open debate? About the whole basis for democracy?
If individuals have an issue - they've suffered abuse, for example - they need to get counselling, rather than insist that no-one can mention/discuss abuse. One of the articles Coyne penned involved demands for trigger warnings on Ovid.
The problem with this is that unless it's patently obvious what might cause offence/distress - like news footage of a disaster involving dead bodies - you won't know what any listeners'/viewers'/students' "triggers" are going to be: this means you'd have to give a broad warning that "this material/subject may contain *something* that could trigger a reaction" - in other words, anything in the subject matter might cause offence/distress.
If creationists came here and said that we can't discuss evolution, question religious beliefs, etc, would we have to stop or give "trigger warnings" any/every time we're about to say something "hurtful"? Would that be practical - nevermind make sense?
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Update: Whilst previewing my reply, I've just seen your last regarding your son. This helps explain your own concerns, SpecialFrog - which are perfectly understandable, given your son's medically-diagnosed condition. Anyone, including myself, would tread carefully in such circumstances.
However, we can't say the same of students in general - a medical condition (physical or psychological) is understandable, and of course one would have to be sensitive to such individuals.
But all students? A lecturer might ask a class if there are any students who've experienced abuse first before discussing a work of literature that includes such - like Ovid. But I think this is taking things to extremes. We did Ovid in school - not high school! - amongst other classics without anyone clutching their hearts in shock. :shock:
I think the real clincher here is that the Bible - like other religious texts - are littered with offensive material: there are no protests at these colleges over those, are there? :roll:
Kindest regards,
James