digitalbuddha48
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Isn't it great to see some of the effects the hip-hop culture has had on our youth?
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Isn't it great to see some of the effects the hip-hop culture has had on our youth?
ImprobableJoe
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Ok? That was over two years old. I'm not sure what your point was.digitalbuddha48 said:
digitalbuddha48
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Just highlighting the great benefits and contributions hip-hop has made to our society. Plus it was just a funny vid I was reminded of because my friends keep quoting her.
Th1sWasATriumph
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My favorite bit was the pause and think before " . . . me."
Atomicnumber86
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GoodKat said:
How is hiphop self-destructive?
And how exactly will it eliminate people bying into it?
If you are talking trend-mainstream hiphop, of course, but that doesn't really require a genius to figure out that shit is popular for a couple of years, to then rest, to then become popular once again.
And heavy metal makes people kill.. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1047157/Heavy-metal-band-Slipknot-blamed-inspiring-schoolboy-stab-classmate-death.htmldigitalbuddha48 said:
I was of course joking about the natural selection part, but hip hop does have strong ties to American gang and prison culture and in a way serves to further their ideologies such as violence as punishment for "disrespect" and tribalistic behavior.Atomicnumber86 said:
ebbixx
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GoodKat said:
Given trends in US prison stats I'd have to say hiphop may be the future, not the dead end. After all, it's hard to maintain pointless racism once all but a tiny privileged class have become, in effect, "niggahs."
Then again, attempts by the dominant classes to criminalize poverty and membership in marginal cultures has had major cultural effects in many other cultures in the past, hasn't it? Sort of makes its own sauce.
Atomicnumber86
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GoodKat said:
not all hiphop, but the gangsta (writing it that way to further narrow it down) part of it, yes sure. But saying it is hiphops fault, is like saying that Hitler did the bad thing because he was a Christian.
The hiphop/rap that I listen to, doesn't not contain any lyrics talking about you have to be violent, and making money and gangs and stupid shit like that.
Saying that hiphop is a way to further their ideologies is way oversimplification.
ebbixx
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GoodKat said:
What specifically would you like me to elaborate on?
Guessing here, my main point was that, especially through drug laws, US society has created a class of "drug offenders" who at one time might simply have been disadvantaged and poor but thanks to a cynical "Drug War" conducted so far as I can tell for some rather bizarre reasons, has established a large population of current and former wards of the state (prison inmates and ex-prisoners) who may not often appear in mainstream media in a sympathetic or analytical light, but are, at least many of them, especially when you consider their families and local communities, a highly politicized group, as well as challenge to the cultural survival and the claim to legitimate authority of the very culture that created them.
There's a pretty widespread subculture in the upper-middle ranges, mostly, that essentially tries as hard as possible to insulate and distract itself from this fairly large population and its concerns, convincing themselves perhaps that "they'll kill each other off before they become a problem for me" and then there's the reality... not necessarily of absolute justice, but of the tremendous costs and delegitimizing influence of this seemingly system-wide nullifying and disenfranchising of large numbers of people. Larger probably than I've painted it here, as I think about this more and more.
Novels like Les Misérables were written about much the same thing, and while such situations evolve and persist over time, there are times the culture at large has no other choice than to look up from its games and distractions and take some action, usually to dismantle a system of oppression that has become too large and expensive to maintain. And cultural artifacts, be they Les Misérables or hip-hop, are often at least a part of what finally wakes societies from their lethargy and collective stupidity long enough to take action, albeit, rarely action or justice that is adequate to the problem as a whole, but improvements do happen. We no longer have obvious debtor prisons or the practice of "transportations." On the other hand, that may just be because we have nowhere left to do the transporting to.
In that context, is where I see the appeal of hip-hop, especially among supposedly "privileged" middle class white kids who still have what's probably an innate, human sense of fairness than hasn't yet been pounded out of them by wage slavery and the obsessing with competitive hoop-jumping their parents are probably engaged in, done mainly to keep a job with health benefits rather than start a crystal meth lab, or otherwise find themselves choosing between low-wage service industry work and finding themselves trapped in the lifecycle of the "honest poor" -- or involved in something that brings in much more money, but is most likely illegal, as almost everything seems to be, these days, which most likely will embroil them in the traps of the "justice" system for whatever remains of their lives.
To me (forgive the plug) hip hop is in many ways related to the "hidden" message spoken of here:
The explanation of the dance moves (and the hidden message) is provide here in the longer version:
Please forgive the bad sound on the second one, it was uploaded a long time ago when YouTube rendering sucked much worse than it does now.