Sparhafoc said:thenexttodie said:Sparhafoc, you cannot support the legalization of something and then say you do not support the thing that you wanted to be make legal. It doesn't work that way.
Thenexttodie, you don't know what you're talking about, so instead of spouting inane claptrap, it would behoove you first to get a fucking clue then proceed.
No legislation has been forwarded to kill foetuses.
What you are talking about is Ireland's new abortion law.
Now, you are labouring under the false notion, or hiding behind it, that such a law would allow the termination of a foetus a day before birth.
This is complete bollocks.
In reality, the draft legislation concerns termination of embryos up to 12 weeks gestational age (i.e. first trimester), and 24 weeks in exceptional circumstances.
For the former, you would need to know what that really means. You don't; you have some woolly metamagical notions from the Iron Age inhabiting the part of your brain that hundreds of years of science should occupy. I am going to spend time educating you in this thread, but first I am letting you dig the holes I will later help you out of.
For the latter 'exceptional circumstances', I will simply return the idea back to you to consider. A woman who wants to have her baby develops a serious medical condition which means that if she continues with her pregnancy not only will she die, but obviously the foetus will die with her. In such circumstances, one life (that of a partly developed foetus) cannot ethically supersede the life of the human adult who is a full member of society, and who has parents, siblings, a spouse, co-workers etc, especially when inaction (denial of termination) will lead to them both dying anyway.
Not in the slightest bit ironically, this is exactly the circumstances (with numerous cases of women dying) which lead to Ireland overturning their previous anti-abortion stance.
So how about you engage honestly with this and forward some reasoning whereby you either argue the woman should be left to die along with the "unborn baby", or you explicitly acknowledge that there are valid circumstances in which termination of a foetus is ethically justified.
Explicitly acknowledged.
So are you now part of the Baby Murderers Club, TNTD?
Or do you appreciate that your wilful flights of prejudiced fantasy about Teh Evul Atheists were really just a reflection of how little thought you'd given the subject matter?