I merely emphasize what matters for the specific point that I am making. I did include the context to show that it doesn't impact my claims. You are the one trying to read more into the study than is actually there.Dragan Glas said:Again, you are selective in what you emphasize in promoting veganism.
You didn't explain anything, you just fabricated an unjustified claim.Dragan Glas said:spurious association between antibiotics in meat, and their mental health issue, as I explained earlier
Although I can't tell if you are trying to say something by underlining the sensitivity to animal suffering (which is not a myth), I can agree with almost everything you have written up to and including that point.Dragan Glas said:it's not necessarily more healthy.
Once again: for the purpose of this conversation, it is not my claim that a vegan diet is more healthy (although I could defend it).
Nothing so far leads to the conclusion that a meat-free diet is inherently unhealthy.
I don't understand what you are trying to say here, or why it is relevant to the conversation.Dragan Glas said:These psychological factors are hardly a good reason to change one's diet - particularly if they also result in/exacerbate mental health problems.
The study draws conclusions regarding people with specific issues, how does that generalize to everybody?
In fact, the authors state "It is possible that subtypes of vegetarians (e.g., health motivated vegetarians vs. ethically motivated vegetarians) may psychologically differ and show different associations with mental disorders." In other words, it is not appropriate to generalize the findings of this study to all vegetarians and vegans.
Your phrasing is a bit strange, but I think I agree.Dragan Glas said:So, the "psychological factors" are given less importance than the probability that the onset of a mental health problem precedes a switch to a vegetarian diet.
And to be clear: the temporal order here precludes that the change in diet causes the pre-existing mental health condition.
So now the goalpost has moved to a specific subset of mental health problems, namely eating disorders?Dragan Glas said:The study also reports that a change in diet most closely precedes the onset of a eating disorder.
This is speculation on your part.Dragan Glas said:This is likely to result in a nutritional deficiency exacerbating the individual's mental health
And even if true, why couldn't this deficiency be addressed in a vegan diet?
This is not specific to veganism, any diet (including omnivorous) can be deficient in something.Dragan Glas said:And I again repeat my point that, without medical assistance, one is going to find it more difficult to ensure that one's not suffering a nutritional deficiency of some sort, exacerbating an existing mental health disorder.
I would say here that vegans have the advantage of knowing what to be mindful of, and modern fortified foods and supplements could actually make it harder to develop a deficiency. In addition, there are many ways to check the expected nutritional value of a meal (for example websites specializing in diet management like cronometer.com).