Prolescum
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ImprobableJoe said:How much time do you spend here in the States?
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ImprobableJoe said:How much time do you spend here in the States?
Prolescum said:You don't have to be a resident to view your media, sunshine
ImprobableJoe said:Prolescum said:You don't have to be a resident to view your media, sunshine
That was my point earlier about The Village... they aren't representative of America, but they monopolize the media. What the rest of the world sees of America is almost entirely based on the biases of a couple of thousand wealthy (and VERY WEALTHY) mostly white people from NYC, Washington DC, and Los Angeles who all went to the same prep schools and colleges, belong to the same country clubs, all own homes in the same gated communities and second vacation homes in the same areas, and are inbred to make West Virginia jealous.
If you look on the TV news channels and dig into the histories of the talking heads and people behind the scenes, they are all related to, married to, old chums with each other on every side of the issues except the side that represents real people. All the movies and TV shows are written and produced by the same handful of people, and the companies are owned by the people back east who run the DC and NYC media.
Prolescum said:All of them?
Seriously now, it was only a passing comment If you feel it doesn't hold true, who am I to argue?
ImprobableJoe said:[...] but we're certainly much more diverse and complex.
derkvanl said:Dutch here:
I allways wonder if I speak with Americans, if they know where their roots are. They seem to think of them as the best, the biggest, the ones who conquered the world, but in fact America has only been a country for a few centuries and lost the biggest part of the original population that lived on that continent before the big migrations from Europe (dutch, english, spanish in south amerika, french in canada's region).
I don't want to be an ass, but I think americans don't have much historical knowledge and I hope that'll change.
televator said:derkvanl said:I don't want to be an ass, but I think americans don't have much historical knowledge and I hope that'll change.
Unfortunately with the education system under siege by private and religious interest.... It'll be a while.
Edit: Actually, you know what I just remembered? Guess who's thinking of getting his hands into the public education money pie? Rupert Fucking Murdoch. It's over. Don't hold your breath.
nemesiss said:i blame Ray comfort's movie 180 for that, it made me wonder if american even pay attention in histroy classes and what is taught. offcourse it wouldn't be surprising ray just picked the dumbest people he found (which could be the next cast for jersey shore).
The news media in the UK is becoming overly "centralized" too, especially in the newspapers. Perhaps a de-centralization generally of news media outlets in the US will help. What puzzles me is that in many cases ... the opposite seems to be true. It seems that some news organizations in the United States are very bold, and very independent, and often biased. Take Fox News and MSNBC (as obvious examples). Am I missing something? :|ImprobableJoe said:[. . .]The point is, America's media is geared to present a very limited viewpoint, controlled by a tiny number of interconnected people. Everyone doesn't speak like them or share their viewpoints, interests, or priorities. In fact most Americans don't. It doesn't mean we're better or worse than we seem... probably both, truth be told... but we're certainly much more diverse and complex.[. . .]
Dean said:The news media in the UK is becoming overly "centralized" too, especially in the newspapers.
Perhaps a de-centralization generally of news media outlets in the US will help. What puzzles me is that in many cases ... the opposite seems to be true. It seems that some news organizations in the United States are very bold, and very independent, and often biased. Take Fox News and MSNBC (as obvious examples). Am I missing something? :|
Hmm. Never even heard of that last one. Interestingly, all of these papers are owned by private enterprises. Equally, privatization seems to be an increasing phenomena in both the UK and US.Prolescum said:Dean said:[. . .]The news media in the UK is becoming overly "centralized" too, especially in the newspapers.
No it isn't. Go read The Guardian, then go and read The Daily Telegraph, unfold The Financial Times, browse The Daily Mail, look at the tits in The Sun, then buy a copy of Private Eye. [. . .]
Ya know...Lallapalalable said:[. . .] You guys who's ancestors never bought a boat ticket [. . .]
Not strangely at all, unless you're a European who seems grossly ignorant and just a little bit racist... yeah, see how you like it!nemesiss said:here is another great piece of american wordplay: AFRICAN AMERICAN
and it only refers to people with dark skin, strangely not to white skinned africans.
Dean said:Hmm. Never even heard of that last one. Interestingly, all of these papers are owned by private enterprises.Prolescum said:No it isn't. Go read The Guardian, then go and read The Daily Telegraph, unfold The Financial Times, browse The Daily Mail, look at the tits in The Sun, then buy a copy of Private Eye. [. . .]
Equally, privatization seems to be an increasing phenomena in both the UK and US.
Dean said:The news media in the UK is becoming overly "centralized" too, especially in the newspapers. Perhaps a de-centralization generally of news media outlets in the US will help. What puzzles me is that in many cases ... the opposite seems to be true. It seems that some news organizations in the United States are very bold, and very independent, and often biased. Take Fox News and MSNBC (as obvious examples). Am I missing something? :|
I would just like to throw in that the usage of 'African-American' is limited more or less to the media, as they choose the least offensive words and phrases for everything. Hell, I've heard not-old people use the word 'colored' more often than I hear A-A, and I live well above the Mason-Dixon Line. I've NEVER heard a black person call themselves A-A, and I'm basically convinced it's entire function anymore is to just be an awkward way to say someone is black on TV, and even then its starting to wean off. So, patience, you tea-sipping, apostrophe-hating, funny-sounding ninnies! But it probably won't disappear.ImprobableJoe said:I think the Irish and Italian Americans are more likely to call themselves Irish or Italian than black people are likely to call themselves African American.
Prolescum said:I chose all those papers because they are owned by different companies, take different stances on the same topics; they are the free press. Are you recommending that government controls the press? Not in my effing lifetime.