Slavery in the bible discussion thread

[Dragan Glas]

Greetings,

Atheism isn't a religion, or even a ideology.

It's a word for those who base their philosophy of life - their morality - on something other than deities.

So, you'd have to ask each "atheist" what is their philosophy of life before asking what they think about an issue, such as slavery, according to their philosophy.

Kindest regards,

James

 

[he_who_is_nobody]

 

[Dragan Glas]

Greetings,

So atheism is a doctrine of nothing

Wrong - atheism isn't a doctrine at all.

Kindest regards,

James

 

[Sparhafoc]

Wrong - atheism isn't a doctrine at all.

Isn't it amazing when idiots feel the need to share their idiocy with others publicly?

You'd think the clue wass in the name -a-theism, like -a-biotic, -a-symptote, -a-symmetrical, etc.

But no, people like the clown in the OP need to make it clear that their ignorance is superseded only by their prejudice.

 

[leroy]

Greetings,

So atheism is a doctrine of nothing

Wrong - atheism isn't a doctrine at all.

Kindest regards,

James

if we define doctrine as a set of believes held by a group.

I would say that new atheism is a movement based on doctrines

 

[IBSpify]

if we define doctrine as a set of believes held by a group.

I would say that new atheism is a movement based on doctrines

Except that not having a belief is not a belief, bald is not a hair color.

 

[Sparhafoc]

*credulous blather*

Except that not having a belief is not a belief, bald is not a hair color.

It's amazing how it's only creationists and other fundies who think that atheism entails sets of dogma and beliefs - how is it that only creationists and fundies who got the memo?

 

[Visaki]

Except that not having a belief is not a belief, bald is not a hair color.

It's amazing how it's only creationists and other fundies who think that atheism entails sets of dogma and beliefs - how is it that only creationists and fundies who got the memo?

I've got the memo many, may times. From creationists and fundies. But from a credible source? Not once.

But honestly I've always wondered why would believers want to claim that atheism is a religion. It feels like they try to pull atheism down to their level and thus admit, knowingly or not, that their faith is a bad thing.

I also don't really know what LEROY means by the New Atheism movement. The 4 horsemen? Atheism +? I admit that some parts of the greater atheism community (if one can even call it that) do have some... well not really doctrines but rather beliefs that they share and sometimes even act upon. But that is like saying that bald people sometimes agree on if they like blonds of brunettes, being bald is not that important in that discussion.

 

[Dragan Glas]

Greetings,

As I understand it, New Atheism an active opposition to religious teaching, along with other superstitious nonsense, as against a mere lack of belief/skepticism, like that of Old Atheism - Russell et al.

As a result, it was likened to militant atheism and/or anti-theism.

The fact that these individuals have non-theist beliefs should not be confused for atheism being a doctrine or ideology per se.

Kindest regards,

James

 

[he_who_is_nobody]

But honestly I've always wondered why would believers want to claim that atheism is a religion. It feels like they try to pull atheism down to their level and thus admit, knowingly or not, that their faith is a bad thing.

This is something I never fail to point out. AronRa calls this the pot calling the silverware black (they are trying to project their faults onto something that does not share them). However, when this is pointed out, the theist normally retorts with "my religion is not a religion, it is X, Y, and Z." Their examples always expose how their religion is a religion and atheism is not. I believe you are right in that on some level they realize that accepting things on blind faith alone is bad, and them trying to project this fault is their way of easing their cognitive dissonance.

 

[Sparhafoc]

Well, it's certainly LEROY's way.

To me, this is just as much an issue of the echo-chambers of the internet, where people can find a circle jerk of affirmation, and learn precanned arguments to use against those they hate without even needing to understand those arguments.

LEROY to a tee.

 

[leroy]

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I also don't really know what LEROY means by the New Atheism movement. The 4 horsemen? Atheism +? I admit that some parts of the greater atheism community (if one can even call it that) do have some... well not really doctrines but rather beliefs that they share and sometimes even act upon. But that is like saying that bald people sometimes agree on if they like blonds of brunettes, being bald is not that important in that discussion.

well look for the term "new atheism" in Wikipedia and you would know what I mean.

New Atheism is a movement with doctrines, for example actively seek to transform theist in to atheist,


as oppose to a "mere atheists" who simply don't believe in God, but don't really care if others are theists or not.

 

[he_who_is_nobody]

This comic sums up what I think New Atheist actually means. This being the case because of the Red Scare in the U.S.

 

[leroy]

But honestly I've always wondered why would believers want to claim that atheism is a religion. It feels like they try to pull atheism down to their level and thus admit, knowingly or not, that their faith is a bad thing.
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theist typically claim that atheism is a religion in a sarcastic (provocative tone) for example theist would claim that atheism requires more faith than theism or we would claim that atheists tend to defend their view with the same fanatic and emotional impute that a fanatic religious individual would defend their view.

For example many atheists openly admit that nothing would convince them that God exists, "I claim that this is analogous to "nothing will convince me that the bible is wrong"

 

[Sparhafoc]

This comic sums up what I think New Atheist actually means. This being the case because of the Red Scare in the U.S.

Or more accurately in some cases, this:

 

[Steelmage99]

For example many atheists openly admit that nothing would convince them that God exists, "I claim that this is analogous to "nothing will convince me that the bible is wrong"

Do they really, Leroy? Is that actually what they say, Leroy?

Or are you just making stuff up again.
Perhaps regurgitating some inane idiocy presented by intellectually dishonest theists?
Perhaps failing - as you usually do - to actually grasp what the other person is actually saying?


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[leroy]

For example many atheists openly admit that nothing would convince them that God exists, "I claim that this is analogous to "nothing will convince me that the bible is wrong"

Do they really, Leroy? Is that actually what they say, Leroy?

Or are you just making stuff up again.
Perhaps regurgitating some inane idiocy presented by intellectually dishonest theists?
Perhaps failing - as you usually do - to actually grasp what the other person is actually saying?


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Yes really.......


we can make a small pool in this forum

Atheist.
Is there anything that would convince you that God exists? If you watch a miracle with your own eyes, and other witnesses confirm your observation, would you accept that God exists.? if not, is there any other possible event that would convince you that God exists?

 

[Steelmage99]

Do they really, Leroy? Is that actually what they say, Leroy?

Or are you just making stuff up again.
Perhaps regurgitating some inane idiocy presented by intellectually dishonest theists?
Perhaps failing - as you usually do - to actually grasp what the other person is actually saying?


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Yes really.......


we can make a small pool in this forum

Atheist.
Is there anything that would convince you that God exists? If you watch a miracle with your own eyes, and other witnesses confirm your observation, would you accept that God exists.? if not, is there any other possible event that would convince you that God exists?

Yes, independently verifiable empirical evidence could indeed convince me of the Christians God's existence.


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[leroy]

Yes, independently verifiable empirical evidence could indeed convince me of the Christians God's existence.


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would you provide an example of something that would convince you?



For example I don't believe in ghosts, but if ever observe my kitchen drawers opening and closing I would certainly believe in ghosts. That would convince me.


can you provide an analogous example?

 

[Steelmage99]

Yes, independently verifiable empirical evidence could indeed convince me of the Christians God's existence.


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would you provide an example of something that would convince you?



For example I don't believe in ghosts, but if ever observe my kitchen drawers opening and closing I would certainly believe in ghosts. That would convince me.


can you provide an analogous example?

No, I cannot provide an analogous example. Your example of something what would convince you, is so poor that it would require me to compromise my own standards of evidence to such a degree that it would render them worthless.

If the above is an example of YOUR standards of evidence, then we are going to have an up-hill struggle when it comes to agreeing on what constitutes independently verifiable empirical evidence.




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