Slavery in the bible discussion thread

[Bango Skank]

Again the type of illusion that you have to proclaim in order to explain the multiple appearances of Jesus, in multiple contexts, to multiple people, including enemies, skeptics and crowds. Would be an extraordinary type of illusion, it would be the first illusion of these type ever recorded.

I didn't say those were illusions, i don't believe they happened at all. Illusion is also a weak explanation, but it's still more probable explanation than a miracle for the reasons i stated before.

Same thing with the fraud hypothesis, it would be the only recorded case where someone dies as a martyr in the name of a lie that they themselves invented.

I disagree, see below.

There are witnesses of people who saw Jesus (or what they thought to be Jesus) after his dead, this is a historical fact

Saw or thought to saw? There is a big difference.

there are no paralels to what happened 2000 years ago

Why it needs to have a paralel?

We are talking about unambiguous experiences where people touched Jesus, ate with him, talked to him etc.

This is very different form watching a distant and unclear light in the sky, and interpreting it as a UFO

We also have people who claim to have been abducted by aliens and later let go.

can you name 1 example?

Joseph Smith. Also, prophet Muhammad was willing to die for a lie.

EDIT: And all those suicide bombers who have claimed of having religious experiences.

Btw, we don't know what happened to the 12 disciples after Jesus death, so it cannot be said that they were willing to die. Those death stories are much later inventions.

Well the point that I am trying to make is that if you grant that the existence of God is possible, you should be open to the possibility of miracles.

Religious people tend to dismiss the so called miracles if they happen outside their religion / sect. Talking about extreme bias...

given the context, why is a miracle less likely than an illusion?

I have given the reason already, remember we are talking about in historical context.

 

[thenexttodie]

Maybe someone can help split this thread. It has been off topic for some time now.

I would like to continue a discussion on the original topic if anyone else is interested.

 

[leroy]

Maybe someone can help split this thread. It has been off topic for some time now.

I would like to continue a discussion on the original topic if anyone else is interested.

I started a new discussion related to the resurrection http://www.leagueofreason.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=15880 where I answered to Bankos last comment.

I wont use this thread to discuss those topics any more