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barboft

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I hope you don't mind me being here, it seems that this is mostly for atheists but I'm not an atheist, I'm a christian. I'll have a look around and maybe I'll join in the chats.
 
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Of course we like having Christians around, the lions start to get hungry after too long.
 
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barboft said:
I hope you don't mind me being here, it seems that this is mostly for atheists but I'm not an atheist, I'm a christian. I'll have a look around and maybe I'll join in the chats.


Welcome aboard, barboft! :)

Oh, I shouldn't think anyone here minds that you're a Christian. I've found that most people around here don't really care about your person or position as such, but more about what you say.

That said, you are of course free to say what you like about your person and position (within rules and reason), and if you encounter any mistreatment for that be sure to report it to the moderators - if indeed any rules are broken.

We do actually have a couple of theists around here, though, so you're not entirely alone. :)

Anyway, I hope you'll enjoy your stay here. And try the cake!
 
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Aught3 said:
Of course we like having Christians around, the lions start to get hungry after too long.

*slap*

That's for being cheeky, AND for beating me to it, even though I was the one to approve the post!!
 
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You have hot cross buns? I'd never have guessed. So who are the believers here?
 
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barboft said:
I hope you don't mind me being here, it seems that this is mostly for atheists but I'm not an atheist, I'm a christian. I'll have a look around and maybe I'll join in the chats.

Welcome to the forum. Are you a reasonable fellow? If so, then you'll fit right it; but if not, you'll have a difficult time.
 
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lrkun said:
barboft said:
I hope you don't mind me being here, it seems that this is mostly for atheists but I'm not an atheist, I'm a christian. I'll have a look around and maybe I'll join in the chats.

Welcome to the forum. Are you a reasonable fellow? If so, then you'll fit right it; but if not, you'll have a difficult time.

How do you mean?
 
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barboft said:
How do you mean?

I meant to say hello. I meant to greet you. I meant to welcome you. I meant to make you feel at ease. So, forgive me if I was difficult to understand.

If you have questions, please make it specific because the question above is very difficult to answer. ^^
 
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I know, no worries. Yes I'm pretty reasonable, althout our definitions of reasonable might not be quite the same. I use it to mean easygoing.
 
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barboft said:
I know, no worries. Yes I'm pretty reasonable, althout our definitions of reasonable might not be quite the same. I use it to mean easygoing.

We do have different definitions of reasonable. What reasonable to me is, a person who adheres to reason or a person who relies on the facts. So, it's not defined as how you defined yours. But that is the beauty of words. :)
 
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Hello!

I think Dragan Glas is a Deist or moderate Christian of some kind... I seem to remember him saying something to that effect anyway. Micah is a strong Christian of the literalist kind (who seems to have been inactive lately). I think )O(Hytegia)O( is a Pagan of some description and there's definitely at least one Muslim around.

Theism and Deism are very much minority views, but anyone is quite welcome regardless of beliefs. Just expect to have to defend them if you enter the arena!
 
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It's been a long time since I felt any need to defend my beliefs. In other words it's rare for me to both have doubts and feel insecure about it. I'm not really into defending what I believe because I can't think of anything that's at stake for me. As long as I know what I believe and I genuinely believe it, I'm fine. Each to their own, I only need to justify my beliefs to myself.
 
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barboft said:
It's been a long time since I felt any need to defend my beliefs. In other words it's rare for me to both have doubts and feel insecure about it. I'm not really into defending what I believe because I can't think of anything that's at stake for me. As long as I know what I believe and I genuinely believe it, I'm fine. Each to their own, I only need to justify my beliefs to myself.

Are you one of those people that have utter the phrase (or like) "nothing you can say will change my mind" then yeah you'll fall under the unreasonable umbrella. If not, then I welcome you as a fellow person of curiosity and reason.
 
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AdmiralPeacock said:
barboft said:
It's been a long time since I felt any need to defend my beliefs. In other words it's rare for me to both have doubts and feel insecure about it. I'm not really into defending what I believe because I can't think of anything that's at stake for me. As long as I know what I believe and I genuinely believe it, I'm fine. Each to their own, I only need to justify my beliefs to myself.

Are you one of those people that have utter the phrase (or like) "nothing you can say will change my mind" then yeah you'll fall under the unreasonable umbrella. If not, then I welcome you as a fellow person of curiosity and reason.

Are you asking because you're hoping to change my mind? I have to tell you that changing people's minds isn't really a priority for me. But no, the closest I come to that is "I doubt you'll change my mind but you never know". I think that's reasonable enough.
 
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It is a common misconception that this is an Atheist website. It is nothing of the sort, it was never setup as one. It just happens that there are allot of atheist atending, I guess they gravitate here because of the open religious discutions. I can't keep track.
 
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barboft said:
AdmiralPeacock said:
Are you one of those people that have utter the phrase (or like) "nothing you can say will change my mind" then yeah you'll fall under the unreasonable umbrella. If not, then I welcome you as a fellow person of curiosity and reason.

Are you asking because you're hoping to change my mind? I have to tell you that changing people's minds isn't really a priority for me. But no, the closest I come to that is "I doubt you'll change my mind but you never know". I think that's reasonable enough.


Nope - I'm not "hoping to change your mind" but I've no interest in conversing with a person that does not entertain the possibility their mind could be changed - it's pointless.

EDIT FOR THE PURPOSE OF CLARITY: Well not "pointless" but not worth it - the reward to effort ratio is undesirable in such an instance. The pay off does not have to be a victory or even a partial resolution; just the idea of progress (i.e. an understanding of each other's positions) is reward enough. A person that has solidified their opinions do not grant this reward in conversation, it's literally like talking to brick wall. Such individuals would be more productive not engaging in discussion and merely talking at people via a blog or like medium.
 
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Personally I don't mind whether the other person is open to changing their mind or not. For me it's more about knowing what makes other people tick. Life's rich tapestry and all that. After all, there are people who are so sure of their views that they can't conceive of the possibility that they may be wrong and that interests me as much as those who have doubts or at least are willing to consider that they've got it all wrong. I'm cool either way. But hey, you can talk to me, I'll entertain the possibility that my mind could be changed, but don't count on it (then again I would say that...I'm sure you feel the same about your views).
 
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barboft said:
Personally I don't mind whether the other person is open to changing their mind or not. For me it's more about knowing what makes other people tick. Life's rich tapestry and all that. After all, there are people who are so sure of their views that they can't conceive of the possibility that they may be wrong and that interests me as much as those who have doubts or at least are willing to consider that they've got it all wrong. I'm cool either way. But hey, you can talk to me, I'll entertain the possibility that my mind could be changed, but don't count on it (then again I would say that...I'm sure you feel the same about your views).

Oh I didn't mean to say their ideas were valueless or uninteresting, just it's not worth trying engage an exchange of ideas as it will be one sided.

Actually it's relatively easy to change my mind; all you need to do is provide a solid logical basis - both with internal consistency and universal consistency. Provide that, and I'm sold.
 
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barboft said:
It's been a long time since I felt any need to defend my beliefs. In other words it's rare for me to both have doubts and feel insecure about it. I'm not really into defending what I believe because I can't think of anything that's at stake for me. As long as I know what I believe and I genuinely believe it, I'm fine. Each to their own, I only need to justify my beliefs to myself.

It is a choice. Who knows, maybe your god exists. At the moment, I have no proof to disprove nor prove that your god exists. :)
 
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I know, and I'd say that it's probably possible to prove god's existence if god exists, but not possible to disprove it if it doesn't.
 
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