Scientific Evidence of a "Spirit World"?

AronRa

Administrator
Someone contacted me asking for a video interview on a number of topics.
What I would like to discuss with you, given this context and my background, is recent developments in scientific thought which seem to open the possibility of there being a "spirit world." This includes the philosophy of Carl Jung, the philosophy of Frederick Hegel, ESP research, Orch-Or theory, and so on. I have collected a large database of published academic articles on this topic.
Below are his list of citations.

THE HISTORICAL PHILOSOPHICAL CONCEPT OF GOD, TAO, FORCE, OR SPIRIT
Proslogion - St. Anselm of Canturbury
Fifth Meditation - Rene Descartes
Transcendent Theosophy - Mulla Sudra
Summa Theologica - St. Thomas Aquinas
Of Minds and Language - Noam Chomsky
Magnetic Brain Stimulation 'Reduces Belief in God, Prejudice Toward Immigrants' - Dr. Keise Izuma
Tao-Te-Ching - Lao-Tzu
Man and His Symbols - Carl Jung

BASIC BACKGROUND CONCEPTS
Godel's Ontological Proofs
Mind-Body Problem
Allegory of the Cave
Halting Problem
Is/Ought Problem
Realm of Forms
Bell's Inequality
Measurement Problem
Problem of Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity

...to be continued.
 

AronRa

Administrator
My would-be interlocutor says:
I do not think that this sort of thing has been properly addressed by the skeptic Community
DEFINING THE CLASSICAL/QUANTUM BOUNDARY (NATURAL/"SUPERNATURAL" or 4-DIMENSIONAL/N-DIMENSIONAL)
Hume and the Classical Problem of Induction - Jeff Speaks
Concluding Scientific Postscript to the Philosophical Fragments - Kierkegaard
Reference Bill Nye Ken Ham Debate ("Historical vs Observational Science")
The Firmament - Woodcut 1475
Conformal Fractal Geometry & Boundary Quantum Gravity - Bertrand Duplantier
Quantum Fractals at the Border of Magnetism - Rice University
Turing Test - Computing Machinery and Intelligence - A. M. Turing
Human, All too Human - Neitzsche
The Quantum Mind/Classical Brain Problem - Alfredo Pereira Jr.
General Purpose Intelligence: Arguing the Orthogonality Thesis - Stuart Armstrong
The Many-Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics - Hugh Everett et al

QUANTUM PHYSICS IN SOCIAL OR BEHAVIORAL INTERACTIONS
Brain-to-Brain Synchrony during Naturalistic Interactions - Sivan Kinreich et al
The Quarterly Newsletter of the Laboratory of Comparative Human Cognition Volume 9 Number 1 - Collective Memory and Remembering - Center for Human Information Processing
On Quantum Decision Trees - Subhash Kak
Role of Symmetry in Irrational Choice - Ivan Kozic
Modern Man in Search of Soul - Carl Jung
The Myth of Mental Illness - Thomas Szasz
Critique of Pure Reason - Immanuel Kant
Memories, Dreams, Reflections - Carl Jung
Phenomenology of Spirit - Frederich Hegel
Behavioral Brain Research - Mijail Demian Serruya
When Lovers Touch, Their Breathing, Heartbeat Syncs, Pain Wanes - Simone Shamay-Tsoory, Pavel Goldstein et al
Human Heartbeats and Breathing Synchronize - Charles Choi
Speaker Gaze Increases Information Coupling Between Infant and Adult Brains - Victoria Leong et al
Leader Emergence Through Interpersonal Neural Synchronization - Jin Jiang
Interpersonal Body and Neural Synchronization as a Marker of Implicit Social Interaction - Kyongsik Yun
Empathic Perspective Taking Promotes Interpersonal Coordination Through Music - Giacomo Novembre
Affiliative Bonding Between Teachers and Students Through Interpersonal Synchronisation in Brain Activity - Lifen Zheng
MIRROR NEURONS, EMPATHY, AND MORAL MOTIVATION - Paul Thagard

QUANTUM THEORY OF MIND OR CONSCIOUSNESS
Shadows of the Mind - Sir Roger Penrose
The Emperor's New Mind - Sir Roger Penrose
Consciousness, Microtubules, & 'Orch OR' - Dr. Hameroff
Microtubules and Growth Cones: Motors Drive the Turn - Olga Kahn
Quantum Coherence in Microtubules: A Neural Basis for Emergent Consciousness? - Dr. Hameroff
Discussion and Comparisons Between Growth Cones, VTTC Plasma Filaments
The Decade of the Brain - Further Thoughts - Alex M. Andrew
The Quantum Needle of the Avian Magnetic Compass - Hamish G. Hiscock et al
Quantum Biology: Can we explain olfaction using quantum phenomenon? - Chukwuemeka Asogwa
Anesthetic Alterations of Collective Terahertz Oscillations in Tubulin Correlate with Clinical Potency - Craddock TJA et al
The Relation Between Quantum Mechanics and Higher Brain Functions: Lessons from Quantum Computation and Neurobiology - Christof Koch et al
Magnetic Brain Stimulation 'Reduces Belief in God, Prejudice Towards Immigrants' - Medical News Today
Conformal Invariance and Electrodynamics: Applications and General Formalism - C. Codirla et al
A Voxel-Wise Encoding Model for Early Visual Areas Decodes Mental Images of Remembered Scenes - Thomas Naselaris et al
Information on Holonomic Brain Theory - Kari Pribam
Bayesian Reconstruction of Natural Images from Human Brain Activity - Thomas Naselaris et al
 

AronRa

Administrator
Continuing the list above:

EXTRASENSORY INFORMATION
Project StarGate Documents - CIA
The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics - Eugene Wigner
TGD Based View About Living Matter and Remote Mental Interactions - Matti Pitkanen
Macroscopic Quantum Tunneling - University of Illinois
The Human Brain Can Create Structures in Up to 11 Dimensions - Signe Dean
Distinguishing between Narrow AI, General AI and Super AI - A Simple but Necessary Guide - Tannya Jajal

SOURCE MEMORY VS ASSOCIATIVE MEMORY
Memory and Decision Making - Dr. David Redish
Neural Activity Supporting the Formation of Associative Memory Versus Source Memory - Heekyeong Park et al
Tonic Dopamine Modulates Exploitation of Reward Learning - Jeff A. Beeler
Increased Spontaneous MEG Signal Diversity for Psychoactive Doses of Ketamine, LSD and Psilocybin - Michael M. Schartner et al
Dopamine Helps with Math Rules as well as Mood - Universitaet Tubingen
Memory Encoding Processes in Young and Old Adults - Michael C.C. Kuo et al
Why Store Information in Objects? Discussion - CSETutor https://www.csetutor.com/advantages-and-disadvantages-of-object-oriented-programming-language/

NEUROCHEMISTRY IN COMMON SOCIAL INTERACTIONS
Brain Dopamine Receptor Density Correlates with Social Status - Dr. John Krystal
Testosterone Induces Molecular Changes in Dopamine Signaling Pathway Molecules in the Adolescent Male Rat Nigrostriatal Pathway - Tertia D. Purves-Tyson
Dopamine Receptor Density and Social Status - Diana Martinez et al
Sex Differences in Striatal Dopamine Release in Healthy Adults - Cynthia A. Munro
Oxytocin More Than Mere 'Love Hormone' - WebMD
Love Hormone Also Causes Racism - Carsten de Dreu
The Role of Testosterone in Social Interaction - Christoph Eisenegger et al
Testosterone Signaling and the Regulation of Spermatogenesis - William H. Walker
Sperm Counts Continue to Fall - Ashley Fetters
Sperm Counts of Western Men Plummeting - Susan Scutti
Sperm Counts and Fertility in Men - Richard Sharpe

THE OBSERVABLE UNIVERSE AS A HOLOGRAM
The Implications of a Holographic Universe for Quantum Information Science and the Nature of Physical Law - P.C.W. Davies
Conformal Invariance and Conserved Quantities of General Holonomic Systems - Cia Jian-Le
Evidence Mounts for Quantum Criticality Theory - Rice University
The Implications of a Holographic Universe for Quantum Information Science and the Nature of Physical Law - P.C.W. Davies
Computational Capacity of the Universe - Seth Lloyd
TGD Universe as a Conscious Hologram - Matti Pitkanen
Doubed Conformal Compactification - ZhaoYong Sun

QUANTUM PHYSICS AND THE P=NP PROBLEM (FORMALIZATION OF QUANTUM/CLASSICAL OR QUANTUM/GRAVITY BOUNDARY)
Computational Solution to Quantum Foundational Problems - Ben Gurion
Discussion of Grover's Theorem
Discussion of MRI Field Lines, QFT
 

AronRa

Administrator
And to finally complete the exhaustive list above...

CHAOS THEORY AND QUANTUM PERTUBATIONS
How Random Generator Quality Impacts Genetic Algorithm Performance - James A. Foster et al
Hamiltonian Perturbation Theory (and Transition to Chaos) - Henk W. Broer et al
Heisenberg Model, Bethe Ansatz, and Random Walks - Lenhard L. Ng
Problem of Turbulence - Deterministic Chaos, Fractals, and Quantumlike Mechanics in Atmospheric Flows - A. Mary Selvam
Effect of Rotating Helical Magnetic Field on the Turbulence Fractal - Budaev Viatcheslav
Comparison Between Turbulent Flow Eddy Formation, Plasma Filamentation, and Growth Cones
BEFORE AND AFTER THE BIG BANG: AN OUTRAGEOUS NEW PERSPECTIVE AND ITS IMPLICATIONS FOR PARTICLE PHYSICS - Sir Roger Penrose
Here are papers corroborating Penrose's Orch-Or Theory, which also has the possibility of paving the road to solving some of the most illusive problems in all of physics - including quantum gravity, P=NP, and the problem of turbulence.
Quantum Coherence in Photosynthesis for Efficient Solar-Energy Conversion - Elisabet Romero et alh
ttps://www.nature.com/articles/nphys3017
New Results about Microtubules as Quantum Systems - M. Pitkanen
"Consciousness in the universe: A review of the 'Orch OR' theory," by Stuart Hameroff, MD, and Roger Penrose, FRS.
dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.plrev.2013.08.002
"Reply to criticism of the 'Orch OR qubit'–'Orchestrated objective reduction' is scientifically justified," by Stuart Hameroff, MD, and Roger Penrose, FRS; dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.plrev.2013.11.00
"Reply to seven commentaries on "Consciousness in the universe: Review of the 'Orch OR' theory," by Stuart Hameroff, MD, and Roger Penrose, FRS. dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.plrev.2013.08.002
Discovery of Quantum Vibrations in “Microtubules” Inside Brain Neurons Corroborates Controversial 20-Year-Old Theory of Consciousness

Just to clarify, I asked the guy who sent me this list (in several blocks) him whether he thinks that all of the above links are to peer-reviewed studies in evidence supporting his hypothesis that there is a spirit world? I asked him to define more precisely what he meant here.
I think that you can extend this definition of spirit to understand individuals as having spirits. Soul and spirit are often used interchangeably, with some defining "soul" to mean a "union with God" or "the part that transcends death" or the "seat of consciousness" or the "connection with the physical body." The distinction hasn't really made much sense to me personally. In a sense what we are seeing here is "paranormal." There is "spooky action at a distance" and so forth. This is "supernatural" in that it arises from beyond the classical laws of nature and beyond what is directly observable in the common 4 dimensions. There is activity which occurs in higher dimensions of spacetime which manifests in effect.

It depends what you mean by spirit. The definition I have for spirit is an identifiable source of influence that can be generalized across conceptual domains. In order for any influence to generalize across conceptual domains there must exist a higher dimensional space like this - a sort of “hyperspace” or ethereal realm so to speak. In this sense 11 dimensional hyperspace is a “spirit world”
I will schedule an interview with him for some time in May. In the meantime, since I don't have time to read all these citations, I would love to hear anyone else's opinions about them or what you think of the basis for his position.
 

Graham Pound

New Member
Looks like the typical smorgasbord of sources that conspiracy theorist-types collect in their magpie minds that they start to blur together into whatever final 'theory' they want (presumably one they already like or believe in). So this is probably a guy who already believes in a spirit world and has been hoovering up seemingly supportive jigsaw pieces for his spirit world 'puzzle' without really paying too much attention to the edges of those pieces or whether they fit together at all.

Given the vast swathe of material he claims to contribute to his theory, I suspect he will spend some time finding out what part of it you don't know so well, and use your seeming ignorance there to offer some epistemic breathing room to his pet idea. I have not followed your work in the past (although of course I have heard of you) but I expect you know the routine. You are very generous - or bored - to offer to debate this guy!

Just the quickest scan of what you quoted from his e-mail suggests he hasn't a clue what he's talking about and is just shoving pieces together to paint a picture. For instance, he appears to be conflating 'extra' dimensions with 'higher' dimensions with 'higher' implying something supernatural. I've yet to read anything on science that suggests any extra dimensions to our physical reality are in any way special beyond being hard to detect. Well, neutrinos are hard to detect, but there's nothing special or 'higher' about them. You get the gist.

Enjoy the debate!
 

Morgana12341

New Member
You know, I'd take these religious nutjobs more seriously about their 'evidence' of a spirit world or supernatural forces if some of their 'evidence' was outside of their religion and not just within young earth creationism. They always say they have evidence for Noah's Ark, Heaven, Hell, angels, or demons, but they never bring up shit like they have evidence for Vishnu, Zeus, Odin, or Pan. Their so called 'evidence' only ever supports their worldview.
 

jtveg

New Member
Wow! What a list! I bet this guy doesn't half understand half the stuff he's cited let alone read them all. Although I may be wrong. Nevertheless it simply boils down to an argument from ignorance.

Basically he's saying: "There are are things science doesn't understand, hasn't yet solved, or may never solve, therefore.... [ insert pet theory here ]".
 
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