Roe v Wade

[*SD*]

How about lets just not kill unborn babies on purpose?

This has already been replied to, several times. Not least of which in my first replies to you, which you are now once again ignoring. I'll just restate it, early term abortions aren't killing "unborn babies" - got that?

 

[he_who_is_nobody]

Including you, presumably?
This is what I meant by the comment you reacted to with angryface. Which I can admit was slightly uncharitable of me, but you don't engage with the substantive comments, you just post inane non substantive filler material.

I keep pointing out that one should not feed the trolls.

 

[We are Borg]

The what ifs are possible exceptions but what i have learned is that religion and/or anti-abortion people cant even live with this. The world is not black and white.

 

[*SD*]

That's not an argument, of any sort, it's not even a natural language argument. It's a question, and it's also a strawman. Early term abortions are not "killing unborn babies".

Do you have any other questions?

Then tell me what you think it is to kill an unborn baby. What would such a process involve? How would you do it?

Why? "killing unborn BABIES" isn't what early term abortions are, and this thread is about abortions. It's not about "murdering children for no reason" or "savagely stabbing innocent beings" or any other such crap the pro-life brigade usually like to spin it as. If you want to start a thread about "Smashing kiddies skulls in with a baseball bat" or anything similar, you can do that, but this one is about abortion.

^^ From page 1.

 

[Led Zeppelin]

What term do you use to denote what it is you support killing inside the mothers womb?

 

[*SD*]

Why are you still asking loaded questions?

 

[Led Zeppelin]

This has already been replied to, several times. Not least of which in my first replies to you, which you are now once again ignoring. I'll just restate it, early term abortions aren't killing "unborn babies" - got that?

see my above post

 

[*SD*]

see my above post

I've already seen it, and replied to it, cool yer jets there my man

 

[Led Zeppelin]

I've already seen it, and replied to it, cool yer jets there my man

Well you seem to be intent on pointing out that you are only supportive of early term abortions. I think this is because what we are then killing is smaller and looks less like a baby.

We can call them zygotes. I think it is wrong to kill them. And you are unsure. So lets just not kill them. Crazy idea I know..

 

[*SD*]

Well you seem to be intent on pointing out that you are only supportive of early term abortions

Yes, because that's what abortions are, and that is the topic being discussed in this thread...

I think this is because what we are then killing is smaller and looks less like a baby.

I have no idea what point you're trying to make here.

We can call them zygotes.

Superb, progress. Finally.

I think it is wrong to kill them.

Thanks for telling us what your preferences are. Personally, I prefer grapefruit to pineapple.

And you are unsure.

When did I say any such thing?

So lets just not kill them

Whyzat?

Crazy idea I know

Most of the shit you post is crazy, so nothing new there.

 

[Led Zeppelin]

Whyzat?

Because you have no clear metric of determining which zygotes you want to kill. You just want us to kill them because we can and at best because you think doing so somehow alieviates pain and suffering, which you can't even quantify.

 

[*SD*]

Why are you telling me what I want?

 

[*SD*]

Also, when did I say any such thing?

 

[Led Zeppelin]

Why are you telling me what I want?

Because none of us are special and we already know each others best arguments. I'm sure we've all heard them a 1000 times. There is no special revelation any of us has to offer.

I am just saying that these things, these zygotes...lets just not kill them. Let's give them a chance and help them the best we can and let them live.

 

[*SD*]

But you haven't provided any arguments for your position, further, you haven't provided any critique of anyone else's arguments. I shall remind you that "I don't like it when people do this thing I don't like" isn't an argument, just in case you thought it was.

 

[Led Zeppelin]

You haven't provided any critique of anyone else's arguments.

Ok lets do one of Borg's aruguments. He wants us to abort babies that have birth defects because he thinks it will alieviate pain and suffering in the world. But he cant quantify "pain and suffering". So there is no argument. He himself has no idea whether or not his idea works. He's just trapped himself into thinking that death is the answer because where theres no life there is no suffering.

 

[*SD*]

Ok lets do one of Borg's aruguments. He wants us to abort babies that have birth defects because he thinks it will alieviate pain and suffering in the world. But he cant quantify "pain and suffering". So there is no argument. He himself has no idea whether or not his idea works. He's just trapped himself into thinking that death is the answer because where theres no life there is no suffering.

This view is compatible with accelerationism, and it's becoming increasingly popular. What do you mean by "quantify" pain and suffering? How does one do that?

 

[We are Borg]

I’m talking about defects in the child that after it will be born it only survives for a few months and it need major pain relieve to be without any pain at all and has no change at all without interventions of doctors.

 

[Led Zeppelin]

I’m talking about defects in the child that after it will be born it only survives for a few months and it need major pain relieve to be without any pain at all and has no change at all without interventions of doctors.

Well the closest I can think of as to what you are talking about would be something like severe harlequin ichthyosis.



Looks terrible and the baby would only live a few days of so. But we figure out how to treat it.

 

[Led Zeppelin]

no chance at all without interventions of doctors.

If you are talking about hooking people up to machines to prolong the unavoidable death of a person I would probably agree with you. But this is different from abortion.