Possibilities of cloning.

[IamtheVOICE123]

Hey their, I wanted open this discussion about the possibilities of cloning. Recently a friend of mine got her eye replaced with an organic eye being the first to have an organic eye being cloned and put into her socket. She lives over in Maryland (can't remember the city) and she has been seeing the hospital where she had gotten the replacement for specific treatments and tests to see for the stability. I would like to open this form to help with the discussions of the possibilities and already implimented progressess of cloning.

(funny thing I find on a note is that god has yet to heal amputees whilst science and medical doctors have been doing it for nearly half a decade now with few problems; that's Science 1, Imaginary man who punishes with hell 0.) :lol:

 

[monitoradiation]

That's really something; but how did they connect the optic nerve? It would seem to me that they would have to sever the nerve to replace the eye; but as of yet I know of nothing that can fix nerve damage...

 

[Th1sWasATriumph]

(funny thing I find on a note is that god has yet to heal amputees whilst science and medical doctors have been doing it for nearly half a decade now with few problems; that's Science 1, Imaginary man who punishes with hell 0.) :lol:

And yet you're an agnostic!

 

[MachineSp1rit]

That's really something; but how did they connect the optic nerve? It would seem to me that they would have to sever the nerve to replace the eye; but as of yet I know of nothing that can fix nerve damage...

 

[ahdkaw]

(funny thing I find on a note is that god has yet to heal amputees whilst science and medical doctors have been doing it for nearly half a decade now with few problems; that's Science 1, Imaginary man who punishes with hell 0.) :lol:

They could always claim that the scientist who did the work was guided by Gods hand (as shown in a photo from the Chandra X-Ray Observatory - link to follow), not sure if they try that as I tend to take very little notice of the highly-religious.

As regards to cloning technology, it will be slowed, at least in the US, by the protestations of the religious, which is a real shame, as they fail to see the good it could do for the US (as Henry Ford did with the automobile).

Imagine being able to genetically manipulate your offspring to have a natural resistance to myth...

The question is whether the treatments will become cheap enough for the Average Joe to participate, or will the lower classes get left behind as the upper and middle classes reach ever new heights of intelligence and physical prowess?

Not Gods Hand!

EDIT: Genetic manipulation isn't cloning is it? How embarrassing.

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

EDIT: Genetic manipulation isn't cloning is it? How embarrassing.

It would depend on the cloning. If you are cloning a particular part or a human being and then modifications upon his structure then yes it would be considered cloning.

 

[c0nc0rdance]

I'm not worried about "whole human" cloning a la Clone Troopers.

The traditional method of making entirely new people is a lot cheaper, and seems to happen whether you want it to or not.

That being said, I worked next to a lab that did Embryonic Stem (ES) Cell cloning. Same technique as Dolly, but this group did cats, dogs, and turned it into a side business with the University's blessing, which is rare for these types of enterprises. ES cell cloning is where you suction the DNA out of a pluripotent stem cell (like an 8 cell embryo), and replace it with the DNA of an adult.

They will clone your pet dog for a high fee, and you get a puppy (or puppies in many cases) that may or may not look anything like the previous dog.

The more important question, philosophically, that WAS answered was whether the DNA is all we are. If our brain is destroyed, or our 'soul' lost, can our basic makeup be reconstituted with just our genetic information, and the evidence is mostly in the affirmative. Cloned animals have some, but not all, of the same quirks/phenotypes as the original. The implication for biology is being able to finally detect, unambiguously, how much of certain conditions are genetic, and how much environmental. We have mice that have been so inbred that they are practically clonal (Black6 mice strain, for example), but that means we have to introduce transgenes to make the diseases happen, which defeats the point of detecting the genetic and environmental components.

I'm excited about cloning, not for making armies, but for the potential research gains.

c0nc0rdance.

 

[Spase]

Hey their, I wanted open this discussion about the possibilities of cloning. Recently a friend of mine got her eye replaced with an organic eye being the first to have an organic eye being cloned and put into her socket.

Can you explain how just the eye was cloned? The only technology that I've read about that would make this possible is stem cell therapies that as far as I know still aren't there yet.

 

[Ozymandyus]

I sincerely doubt anyone cloned an eye, we are not near being able to transplant a cloned an eye yet. I believe they are growing certain parts of eyes such as corneas though now for transplant, Maybe that's what hes talking about? Although probably not since he used the words put in her socket.

Might want to ask her again exactly what they did - maybe she is pulling your leg.

 

[Th1sWasATriumph]

I sincerely doubt anyone cloned an eye, we are not near being able to transplant a cloned an eye yet. I believe they are growing certain parts of eyes such as corneas though now for transplant, Maybe that's what hes talking about? Although probably not since he used the words put in her socket.

Might want to ask her again exactly what they did - maybe she is pulling your leg.

There was something in the news about it recently. The eye wasn't cloned, but it was blind\severely impaired, and stem cell research fixed it to the extent that she can legally drive a car.

However I have to be skeptical about Voice happening to know one of the only recipients of an extremely new medical field! Seems a tad unlikely, it would be like us announcing that we're friends with, say, Gene Simmons.

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

There was something in the news about it recently. The eye wasn't cloned, but it was blind\severely impaired, and stem cell research fixed it to the extent that she can legally drive a car.

However I have to be skeptical about Voice happening to know one of the only recipients of an extremely new medical field! Seems a tad unlikely, it would be like us announcing that we're friends with, say, Gene Simmons.

Hey my dad knows Gene Simmons :lol:

I personally know the nurse there; I'll ask her tomorrow where it is and what the name is (the hospital is in Maryland in one of the cities their; my memory remembering these things is fucking shitty, I blame the abuse I suffered).

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

John Hopkins Medical Research Facility is the place where the eye cloning was done. The person that was apart of it is Kameko Morgan.

 

[Ozymandyus]

Please be aware of the differences between stem cell therapies and cloning. This was an application of stem cells resulting in improved clarity - a very FAR cry from a cloned and transplanted eye... Still, yes, it is very cool. Lots of great applications coming down the pipeline.

 

[ebbixx]

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[IamtheVOICE123]

My understanding is that, in reattaching severed limbs, nerves are frequently -- I'm not sure of the correct term, so I'll say "Grafted" -- together.

However, the enervation of the eye is considerably more complex than the enervation of a hand or finger. I would be curious to see the details of what was actually done in this case, as even claims of combined corneal and retinal transplants from donor organs have been greeted with considerable skepticism, and usually tend to be claimed to have been performed in remote locations with little confirmation offered on the details. In any case, for such a transplant to succeed there would need to be a still healthy optic nerve, most likely attached to an eye that was damaged in some partial way that did not involve the optic nerve directly.

I asked if she can give me a pdf copy of the file's or to just upload it to the web so I can link it. At any case; she said she would have to get permission first before she could give the information out since it is still experimental (their was a side effect with her eye becoming a little flacid and not moving correctly a couple of weeks ago).

 

[ebbixx]

I asked if she can give me a pdf copy of the file's or to just upload it to the web so I can link it. At any case; she said she would have to get permission first before she could give the information out since it is still experimental (their was a side effect with her eye becoming a little flacid and not moving correctly a couple of weeks ago).

I'll appreciate whatever you manage to provide. From the context of other messages here (and your descriptions) it does seem that this was most likely some form of gene therapy application, involving limited, partial elements of her own diseased eye, nothing like a full transplant or cloning of a whole eye.

As for the improbabilities, I know I'm one or two degrees separated from some people that might surprise group members and I'm sure I'm not exceptional in that way. Skepticism can be taken to extremes at times. Cheers.

 

[IamtheVOICE123]

I'll appreciate whatever you manage to provide. From the context of other messages here (and your descriptions) it does seem that this was most likely some form of gene therapy application, involving limited, partial elements of her own diseased eye, nothing like a full transplant or cloning of a whole eye.

As for the improbabilities, I know I'm one or two degrees separated from some people that might surprise group members and I'm sure I'm not exceptional in that way. Skepticism can be taken to extremes at times. Cheers.

True it's possible it may have just been a misqoute or something along those lines (like word of mouth).

 

[ImprobableJoe]

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Excess eye candy? Or excess cloned eye candy? :lol:

 

[ebbixx]

Excess eye candy? Or excess cloned eye candy? :lol:

No offense intended but this bright white on dark blue combo is pretty hard on my eyes, pretty as it is to look at as art. Def. hard to read when your eyes are creeping up on half a century.

 

[ahdkaw]

No offense intended but this bright white on dark blue combo is pretty hard on my eyes, pretty as it is to look at as art. Def. hard to read when your eyes are creeping up on half a century.

If you're having trouble reading the text, I recommend increasing the font size (with your mouse-wheel). If you use Firefox, it seems to remember the font-size setting for each domain you change it for (I doubt IE does it too, but I dunno, I don't use that carp). Also you could create your own local CSS file, but it could be a bit of a big job.

Sorry for my OT post, everyone else.