Imminent death report

[FONZIE68000]

Hi everybody

I saw a report on a french TV (M6) talking about imminent death. All the people were talking about it with the same dtails and it reflected that they had the same vision of deads and did not feel the pain anymore for few minutes or less when they wer outside their body.

What do you think about it ? Does it have something to do with God and/or mean that the afterworld exists ?

 

[Baranduin]

Hi everybody

I saw a report on a french TV (M6) talking about imminent death. All the people were talking about it with the same dtails and it reflected that they had the same vision of deads and did not feel the pain anymore for few minutes or less when they wer outside their body.

What do you think about it ? Does it have something to do with God and/or mean that the afterworld exists ?

Do you have some link or something, so we can judge the information (and its source) by ourselves?

 

[FONZIE68000]

Hi

In fact it was a report on the french channel "M6" two weeks ago. I saw it on M6 replay channel and they conserve the programms for 8 days free. But I went on dailymotion and I saw some different reports. It's amazing but they all talk about the same thing. So I agree with them, this world is only a way for another better place where we don't feel sad, mlelancolic or something else, it's only love and happiness.


Bye

 

[australopithecus]

this world is only a way for another better place where we don't feel sad, mlelancolic or something else, it's only love and happiness.

The fact I feel these emotions makes me who I am. If I was suddenly taken to a place where I no longer felt those emotions I wouldn't be me anymore, so essentially the concept of heaven as you are describing it you ultimately result in the destruction of what I consider myself.

 

[FONZIE68000]

I don't want to live forever so I do everything I can to enjoy my life here.

In fact I'd like to have an experience like this. It's amazing and exciting, I'm sure. If I lose something here I wil find something else over there.


Wait and see.

 

[Jotto999]

FONZIE, Australopithecus just brought up an interesting argument against what you described in your version of heaven.

If going there will alter your personality or disable normal and defining characteristics, how can you call it heaven, when only a butchered version of you will go?

 

[australopithecus]

I don't want to live forever so I do everything I can to enjoy my life here.

But that's exactly what an afterlife entails, living (or existing) forever. I don't want to live forever either, I too do everything I can to enjoy my life here. But that's it, once thats done it's done. I have no need or desire to carry on existing after my mortal life ends, theists tout heaven as the ultimate win, but is it? Think about the concept. Eternal life. Enternal, infinite, never ending. I cannot imagine a worse fate than being forced to exist for infinity, let alone an infinity as a stunted avatar of myself unable to feel essential and basic human emotions because someone somewhere deemed them 'negative'.

 

[FONZIE68000]

I don't know if it is heaven really but I believe there is something better. It is a feeling and as I said I "wait and see". May be it is a paradise or not. But what people described looks really to heaven, the way I imagine it. May be I'm wrong and I won't be disappointed.

 

[Deleted member 619]

Let's evaluate this properly, shall we?

The facts:

1. Some people who almost died said they saw something.*

The evidence that what they saw was real:

1. { }**

Evidence that they all actually saw the same thing:

1. { }

Actual empirical evidence of any sort:

1. { }

Case closed.

* Note the italics. These are the operative words.
**Denotes an empty set

 

[zrzzz1]

One time I thought I was having heart troubles. Every sensation in my chest convinced me that I was close to death. A tingle in my left arm became a numbness. Discomfort became stiffness. Standing up too quickly and feeling lightheaded was a stroke. Finally, the doctor sent me to get a stress test and my arteries were completely clear. I felt rather silly and all those worries went away.

Our imaginations are intertwined with our physical condition. There was a 19th century Frenchman, Émile Coué, who made a living "curing" people by convincing them that all their physical ailments were in their head. Today, science has accepted the existence of a placebo effect. Hypnosis, acupuncture, herbal medicine, so many phenomena that shouldn't work but do sometimes, you could go on and on...

Is it really so surprising that as a general response many people consciously facing the scary concept of their own death build up some kind of fantasy to help them cope with it all?

It doesn't even make sense. These people have come back. Why would an omniscient God initiate your journey down the long white tunnel if he knows it's not your time and in a moment, the doctor is going to shock your heart back into kilter?