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How do we know your charity drives are legit?

Mithcoriel

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This curiosity is still nagging me. I gotta play a big devil's advocate here.
Basically the question is: when someone does a "24 hour blogtv charity drive" or whatever: how do we know it's not a scam?

Now, chill out peeps, I don't seriously think it is one. Dprjones etc. have my complete trust. But you know: we're supposed to be the sceptic community. We're supposed to question everything and get confirmation. I want to be better than a follower of VFX who just donates their money without double-checking. You have to admit: "These guys on youtube I like are collecting money and they really promise to give it to the charity" isn't a very impressive argument.
Also, I want to have a rebuttal to shut my parents up, who are saying: "Well, you can donate, but just be aware that it could be a scam. You don't know if the money will really go to Doctors Without Borders (or whatever)". Not that it matters what they think. They wouldn't stop me from donating, nor could they. But I'd really like to have a clear rebuttal.

So here are some issues, partly based on convos we had.
Now, I haven't done extensive research, I could easily have missed something, but maybe some of you have easy answers to them.

- What do I lose by simply donating to the charity directly?

- Can I see confirmation on the side of the charity, that the money really arrived? Like a note on their website, thanking the youtubers? In the most recent charity event, the head of MSF UK, Marc Dubois, was on the show. That's not bad for a proof. I googled his name and was able to confirm that he really works at MSF. But I didn't find his picture on the MSF website, so how do I know that really was him?

- I pointed out to my parents that the people involved in these blog events were tons of youtubers who had channels independent of each other. Surely they wouldn't all be in on the same hoax. But they pointed out that they didn't have to be. Suppose one guy was a con, the one who owned the account, the others could all have fallen for it.

- For most charity drives, people use the JustGiving website or something similar as a middle-man. They assure us that this website will ensure that the money goes directly to the charity and the person doing the charity drive can't touch the money. So....
How do we know that's true? How do we know the site is legit, and the money made really can't be pocketed by the host? (Or the JustGiving website itself). So I guess this is a separate question asking for the legitimacy of JustGiving.

Would be cool if people could help me with this.
 
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nasher168 said:
There are three ways of donating from the blogTV page. The first is via justgiving , the second is via firstgiving and the third is through buying stuff on eBay. There's no way to trick any of those, as far as I know, short of some ultra-sophisticated plot which no one at MSF can have noticed.
He means if the ebay account (owned by dprjones?) happens to have a proprietor that is himself not going to give the money up.
 
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Your best bet it to give all of your money to me, because you can have complete faith in where the money will go: guitars and porn. I guarantee it 1000%. :D
 
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lrkun said:
International Website

Donations Page

Scam reports page

I like your attitude. You are thinking. Keep up the good work.

Thanks. But what information do I get from these links that helps me figure out if one of these charity drives is legit? I mean the scam reports page is useful if I already suspect one might be a fraud and want to report it.

nasher168 said:
There are three ways of donating from the blogTV page. The first is via justgiving , the second is via firstgiving ....

Well, true, confirming the legitimacy of these sites would very well confirm the legitimacy of the charity. But I personally had never heard of FirstGiving and JustGiving before. Also it' s a pity they're never mentioned on the MSF site either. I mean, okay, JustGiving is on Wikipedia. But everyone can edit wikipedia. Okay, I'm beginning to run into a problem. If I'm so sceptical I wonder what source I am gonna trust to confirm its legitimacy. But is JustGiving a well-known site for charity drives?
 
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Mithcoriel said:
lrkun said:
International Website

Donations Page

Scam reports page

I like your attitude. You are thinking. Keep up the good work.

Thanks. But what information do I get from these links that helps me figure out if one of these charity drives is legit? I mean the scam reports page is useful if I already suspect one might be a fraud and want to report it.

nasher168 said:
There are three ways of donating from the blogTV page. The first is via justgiving , the second is via firstgiving ....

Well, true, confirming the legitimacy of these sites would very well confirm the legitimacy of the charity. But I personally had never heard of FirstGiving and JustGiving before. Also it' s a pity they're never mentioned on the MSF site either. I mean, okay, JustGiving is on Wikipedia. But everyone can edit wikipedia. Okay, I'm beginning to run into a problem. If I'm so sceptical I wonder what source I am gonna trust to confirm its legitimacy. But is JustGiving a well-known site for charity drives?

It is obvious. However, if you don't know what it is, you can verify via the given links as to what it is you are looking for.

To be safe, if you don't want to donate via DPR's blogtv links. Donate directly to the original site. ;)
 
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Mithcoriel said:
Well, true, confirming the legitimacy of these sites would very well confirm the legitimacy of the charity. But I personally had never heard of FirstGiving and JustGiving before. Also it' s a pity they're never mentioned on the MSF site either. I mean, okay, JustGiving is on Wikipedia. But everyone can edit wikipedia. Okay, I'm beginning to run into a problem. If I'm so sceptical I wonder what source I am gonna trust to confirm its legitimacy. But is JustGiving a well-known site for charity drives?

Both JustGiving and FirstGiving are legit. I have friends in reality who have used it for charity drives. Obviously I'm just some guy as far as you're concerned, so what I say could be crap... But for me, these people who have never heard of the League of Reason, the youtube atheist stuff or the Blog TV show would have to somehow be in some evil plot with dprjones to make it not legit.
 
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Hmm... I wish I could recall the site that reports on charities (specifically how much of what they receive is actually spent on helping people (some of it goes to administrative costs, advertising, and other overhead, but an organization with a lot of overhead has problems))....

That would let you confirm that the charity is legit. Then of course you can try to confirm, using legitimate charities, that the giving organizations are legitimate.
 
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One minute in is the head of MSF UK thanking them for the money raised last year. I believe he also appeared on this years show.
 
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Ah, a pic of Dubois on the MSF website, excellent. That helps.
It is obvious. However, if you don't know what it is, you can verify via the given links as to what it is you are looking for.

Hm didn't quite understand what you meant by that?

One thing you can use a bit to verify the legitimacy of JustGiving, I think, is the links in Wikipedia that lead to, say, the bbc news website mentioning it etc.
 
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