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Hovind's strange interpretation of the Urey-Miller experiments.

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I think there are some really decent people and brilliant minds everywhere in the world and that creationists and atheists are not enemies. We are all just normal people.
 
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AronRa said:
But I can prove the point where they can't.
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Well if you say you can, then do your best. There is nothing wrong with that. I just think it wrong to make him your enemy. We are all brothers in this world of shit we live in. I think you are both foolish for fighting with each other.
 
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Led Zeppelin said:
Well if you say you can, then do your best. There is nothing wrong with that. I just think it wrong to make him your enemy. We are all brothers in this world of shit we live in. I think you are both foolish for fighting with each other.
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The man is a deliberately deceptive willfully ignorant criminal fraud who has never made an argument that was verifiably true, logically valid and indicative of his assumptions. I can find nothing good or admirable about him, and apparently his own family can't either, as I understand they have all abandoned him, probably because of his malignant narcissism.
 
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AronRa said:
The man is a deliberately deceptive willfully ignorant criminal fraud who has never made an argument that was verifiably true, logically valid and indicative of his assumptions. I can find nothing good or admirable about him, and apparently his own family can't either, as I understand they have all abandoned him, probably because of his malignant narcissism.
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I realize what you say here seems very much to be true. But because you are somewhat of a celebrity, a kind and sincere gesture on your part might change not only yourself, but a great part of the world, for the better.
 
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There are actually people in this world who have innocent minds. Who are naive and caring and trusting and they get completely fucking destroyed by the same world people like you and I might thrive in. I think you can surely afford to show a bit of humility at times.
 
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Led Zeppelin said:
I would say both Hovind and his opponent are wrong here, since we dont really know the "one way" speed of light.
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Yeah, no.

We know to wonderful precision. We have a term for it, c. The speed of light is the speed of light.

I think you're mistaking the difference between what we know and what we can measure, specifically that if we send a signal into space we have no way of having reliably synchronised detectors the other end and so, by convention, we measure the reflection time.

The reason for such things as the Einstein convention (for that is its name) is that we can only enter into our sums what we can objectively measure.

This is a complete red herring.
 
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Good luck with your debate. Sorry everyone if I have been in a shitty mood. Im having relationship problems and trying to move. Please dont hold it against me. I dont mean to sound like the non-creationists are the only bad guys. I know alot of my creationist brothers are really stupid and annoying and I am also disappointed with their arrogance and general behavior.
 
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hackenslash said:
Yeah, no.

We know to wonderful precision. We have a term for it, c. The speed of light is the speed of light.

I think you're mistaking the difference between what we know and what we can measure, specifically that if we send a signal into space we have no way of having reliably synchronised detectors the other end and so, by convention, we measure the reflection time.

The reason for such things as the Einstein convention (for that is its name) is that we can only enter into our sums what we can objectively measure.

This is a complete red herring.
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Sorry hackenslash, I know you know what I am talking about and you have helped me to have a better understanding of the world we live in. I know that this point you are making here is important and that you have made it several times but I unfortunately I have not had time to fully grasp it. I have recently started a new and better job but at the same time I might be getting divorced. Das ist leben. Stay cool.
 
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AronRa said:
Thank y'all for your help with this one.
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Sorry for spamming this thread. Awesome rebuttal and you looked nice and friendly. I disagree a bit with some of the points you made concerning the Bible but they were witty. I am very interested to see how or if Hovind responds to any of this. :D
 
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Led Zeppelin said:
Sorry for spamming this thread. Awesome rebuttal and you looked nice and friendly. I disagree a bit with some of the points you made concerning the Bible but they were witty. I am very interested to see how or if Hovind responds to any of this. :D
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Hovind was just arrested again, this time for domestic abuse of his illegal 3rd wife. If he replies to me, it will only be as a distraction from his mounting legal issues.
 
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AronRa said:
Hovind was just arrested again, this time for domestic abuse of his illegal 3rd wife. If he replies to me, it will only be as a distraction from his mounting legal issues.
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Alright, fuck it dude. Im sorry I wasted my time trying to defend this weird guy.
 
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