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Hare Krsna... Please get out... [Atheist Book Store Concept]

FaithlessThinker

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Okay, so this is what happened a few days ago.

In my city, there is a shopping convention going on because of the upcoming Diwali festival (Hindu festival of lights... and firecrackers). So the convention is held in open space under make-shift shelter. There are several stalls, each of which occupied by a retailer. Most are dresses (male or female), some are artifacts, and other stuff.

There was one stall which called itself Hare Krishna Book Store or something like that. Talk about being a book store, there's like maybe few copies each of 4 or 5 different books on the table. There were two guys dressed in monk-like dress (worn by Krishnalists).

The rest of the merchandise was pictures, artifacts and all. There was this plaque which is supposed to show the life-cycle of a man (sorry ladies, religions are male-chauvinistic). Besides the known cycle of birth, different stages of growth and death, the plaque claims that after death, you're born again as a baby. I chuckled at it.

Then we were looking at the pictures just out of curiosity, and one of the guys comes pointing to a picture of Narasimha and tells us "It's auspicious to put this picture on your front door." (Yea I know, what nonsense.)

Never mind, I ignored him. Then he diverted our attention to a book that's about Krsna (they spell Krishna like that) and said "You read fiction right? Fiction about superheroes, batman, superman? He (Krsna) is the real superhero. This book tells you all the things he actually did when he lived on earth." (Btw, I'm quoting from memory, so the words may not be exact.)

Whatever, I continued ignoring him. Then he added: "Christians show you bible, but it's all fiction. This is real."

THAT'S IT, I got really annoyed and commented: "Heh! Every religion says the same thing. They all say 'what we give you is true, everyone else gives you fiction.'"

I can tell he got really pissed at this comment and started fighting back: "This is really real. You don't believe in God? Who created you?" (Lol, he was almost shouting)

I said: "How do you know god created me? Can you prove that god exists?"

Unable to answer this, he tried changing the subject: "What is your purpose in life?"

I said: "My purpose in life is to live it. If you're telling me that krsna exists, show me the proof." (Lol, I should have said "My purpose in life is to piss you off.")

Instead of answering, he vaguely mentioned "scriptures" as proof for god, and said "How do you know your father is really your father?"

I said "There is DNA testing. If I have doubt, I will do DNA testing. What kind of testing do you have for your god?"

It's funny that he couldn't answer my questions, but still didn't see his own ignorance. Instead he claimed i'm ignorant for not having faith (lol, the irony!) He tried to drive me away saying "People like you are ignorant. I'm not here to argue with you. Please get out and mind your own business."

Not wanting to prolong this duel any longer, I just said: "Yea I will, now you mind your own business" and moved along.

I only realized later, I should have said this: "You're the one who is stupid and ignorant for believing in god without any proof. I'm smart because I ask for proof before believing what someone else tells me." I should have also said: "My mother and father created me. Who created you?"

Later on, I was thinking why there is no "Atheist Book Store." I thought of what an atheist book store would be like, and what it would carry:
  • Sell books by Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and other atheist authors.
  • Show what questions "God" rises and why religions can't answer them.
  • Show the damages religions have done to mankind, justify the elimination of religion, show how education can help eliminate superstitious beliefs and religion.
  • Sell various creative pictures that describe several key points of atheistic world view, pictures suitable for framing and display in the home of an atheist.
  • Make known the psychological explanations for phenomena such as ghosts, magic, miracles, exorcism, horoscopes and other supernatural experiences.
  • Make known the psychological damages religion creates on a human being during his/her life.
  • Provide a channel of anonymous and non-anonymous support for atheists and religion-changers who are or feel suppressed in their own home or community.
  • Install a touch-screen console with various searchable and browsable videos of atheist YouTubers such as QualiaSoup and TheraminTrees.
  • Sell DVDs containing several of the videos of YouTubers (with permission, of course).
  • Display a flip-chart or plaque on evolution and explain why it's fact based and devoid of myths.
  • Display the known life cycle of a human being in a flip-chart or plaque, describing the process from conception through birth, growth and death, ending with funeral (different types of funerals). Use a female figurine to distinguish from major male-chauvinistic religions.
 
arg-fallbackName="Prolescum"/>
Re: Hare Krsna... Please get out... [Atheist Book Store Conc

Sorry, but no.
 
arg-fallbackName="Laurens"/>
Re: Hare Krsna... Please get out... [Atheist Book Store Conc

Atheists don't have to do everything that theists do to get back at them or whatever.

I saw a guy preaching atheism on the street once, 'what a wanker' I thought. Atheism isn't something you should preach, or even have to preach. It's not something you should shove into people's faces - it's exactly that kind of atheism that gives theists the ammunition for their whole 'atheism is just another religion' argument.

Atheism is something one should arrive at through one's own reasoning, perhaps with encouragement from others, but, what I am trying to say is, we shouldn't try to win followers in the same way that Hare Krishna's want to, we should be here to help those who already started having doubts and guide them in the right direction, but we shouldn't look to gain numbers through preaching or setting up book stores.

Atheism doesn't need selling, as long as there is religion, people will always doubt it or oppose it, we shouldn't stoop to the level of religious maniacs in a rabid attempt to gain a following...
 
arg-fallbackName="australopithecus"/>
Re: Hare Krsna... Please get out... [Atheist Book Store Conc

Meh, I don't really think the world needs a book shop purely devoted to selling atheistic literature, videos and stuff. Mostly because most books shops sell those books anyway and those videos are freely available for free on youtube. Just seems like an exercise in redundancy to me.
 
arg-fallbackName="masterjedijared"/>
Re: Hare Krsna... Please get out... [Atheist Book Store Conc

Well, isn't awareness education sometimes redundant?

Though I think what I would do isn't so much as open an atheist store as much as have a store where atheist, science, skeptical materials are simply the overwhelming majority of the stock. Or rather, a store that puts the religion books onto the fictional shelves.
 
arg-fallbackName="FaithlessThinker"/>
Re: Hare Krsna... Please get out... [Atheist Book Store Conc

My goal in creating an atheist book store is not to gain followers or compete with religions as though atheism is a religion as well. Rather, it is to promote critical thinking instead of blind faith/blind acceptance, to encourage closet atheists to come out, and to create awareness of atheistic points of view. It doesn't involve atheist holy place gatherings, atheist sermons or anything of the religious sort. Just materials for people who are either curious to know more about atheism, or atheists themselves.

Anyway it's just a concept I'm toying with, and I don't find what's so harmful in having a book store with materials geared towards atheism. It also addresses the concern that sometimes it's hard to find books on critical thinking and atheism on a general book store. While major religions have their own book stores to promote their faith, those interested in atheistic books have to hunt for them. It will be a convenience to have a dedicated book store, besides being there to promote critical thinking.
 
arg-fallbackName="masterjedijared"/>
Re: Hare Krsna... Please get out... [Atheist Book Store Conc

To be fair, I would shop at an atheist book store.

If I didn't buy what I was looking for on the internet.

Or to my kindle.

:cool:
 
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Re: Hare Krsna... Please get out... [Atheist Book Store Conc

masterjedijared said:
To be fair, I would shop at an atheist book store.

If I didn't buy what I was looking for on the internet.

Or to my kindle.

:cool:

If regular book stores discriminate against Atheist books I would rather know their names, than shop at book stores that discriminate against religion. We're talking books here. Books! It's a kind of sacred tradition of non-discrimination and knowledge. ;)
 
arg-fallbackName="FaithlessThinker"/>
Re: Hare Krsna... Please get out... [Atheist Book Store Conc

Andiferous said:
[..] book stores that discriminate against religion.
There isn't anything wrong with discrimination itself.

What could possibly be offending that a particular book store owner decides to carry books on a particular topic only? Is that discriminating against all the other topics on which books have been written? Yes. Is it wrong to do so? No.

Discrimination is bad when it infringes human rights. I don't see how a book store can infringe human rights.
 
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Re: Hare Krsna... Please get out... [Atheist Book Store Conc

anon1986sing said:
Andiferous said:
[..] book stores that discriminate against religion.
There isn't anything wrong with discrimination itself.

What could possibly be offending that a particular book store owner decides to carry books on a particular topic only? Is that discriminating against all the other topics on which books have been written? Yes. Is it wrong to do so? No.

Discrimination is bad when it infringes human rights. I don't see how a book store can infringe human rights.
Not in and of themselves. But books are intended for the dissemination of knowledge, and denying representation someone will offer only a half-tank of knowledge, if you get my meaning. Selling people on ideas by exclusion tends to be a cheap sell and those "converted" are probably vulnerable to changing their minds when open again to free thinking.

I would exclude here Hate literature and stuff, but that's another topic.
 
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Re: Hare Krsna... Please get out... [Atheist Book Store Conc

Two suggestions:

1) Have a book store based on reason, logic and truth (without any annoying philosophy books asking what those words 'really mean').

2) If you really must have an atheist/anti-theist book store, then call it Theism, as it would be the only place offering a good position on the matter.
 
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Re: Hare Krsna... Please get out... [Atheist Book Store Conc

I've got an atheist bookstore in town. You can go in a read all this secular and even religious literature all you want, without even having to pay for it. It's situated in a separate building; it's quite large too compared to most stores. It also has a big sign with the letters "library" on them.
 
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Re: Hare Krsna... Please get out... [Atheist Book Store Conc

TheFlyingBastard said:
I've got an atheist bookstore in town. You can go in a read all this secular and even religious literature all you want, without even having to pay for it. It's situated in a separate building; it's quite large too compared to most stores. It also has a big sign with the letters "library" on them.

^ This

Go to an University and go to the scientific journal section. This is an atheist bookstore.

I've never read an "atheist book" because the idea of several hundred pages of "God isn't real" doesn't really peak my interest. That and those kinds of books lead to theists falsely attributing them as "atheist bibles" which just annoys the piss out of me.

Really, the ultimate atheist book would be the one that goes "God isn't real and magic isn't real either" and that's it. One page.
 
arg-fallbackName="lilmarome"/>
Re: Hare Krsna... Please get out... [Atheist Book Store Conc

Instead of calling it an atheist book store you could call it a sceptical? book store, that store would be much interesting to go to imo.

I really hate Hare Krishna people... my mother used to go to their meetings and just out of curiosity I went to their Internet page and sent them a comment about some mistakes about science that they had written on there and... they started calling me ignorant, asking how old I was, called me immoral etc. etc. They were just like the ignorant Christian creationists, I was just trying to be helpful like I always am and they start attacking me just for honestly criticizing their faulty logic... *sigh*.
 
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Re: Hare Krsna... Please get out... [Atheist Book Store Conc

lilmarome said:
Instead of calling it an atheist book store you could call it a sceptical? book store, that store would be much interesting to go to imo.

I really hate Hare Krishna people... my mother used to go to their meetings and just out of curiosity I went to their Internet page and sent them a comment about some mistakes about science that they had written on there and... they started calling me ignorant, asking how old I was, called me immoral etc. etc. They were just like the ignorant Christian creationists, I was just trying to be helpful like I always am and they start attacking me just for honestly criticizing their faulty logic... *sigh*.
Yup. That's exactly what they do. Yea "Skeptical Book Store" sounds like a better concept, since the religious book stores are all about being unskeptical and believing whatever nonsense they throw at you.
 
arg-fallbackName="Dragan Glas"/>
Re: Hare Krsna... Please get out... [Atheist Book Store Conc

Greetings,

Personally, I think this "Atheist" term is loaded - it's become something of a red-rag-to-a-bull stimulus.

For me, it's all Philosophy - there's Theistic Philosophy and Non-Theistic Philosophy: rather like the eye, with the pupil (theism) and the iris (non-theism).

Critical thinking, positive psychology (The Happiness Hypothesis, The Lost Art of Being Happy, The How Of Happiness, etc), science (Duh!), and - of course - non-theistic philosophy.

And rather than open a physical bookstore, why not just put it online? It would cut down on the overheads...

The Skeptical Web.

Kindest regards,

James
 
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Re: Hare Krsna... Please get out... [Atheist Book Store Conc

I would much prefer a store related to free thought, or reason. Of course, most books would be atheistic, but this way you wouldn't get the "See?! Atheism is just another religion" response by ignorant foolish religious bitches.
 
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Re: Hare Krsna... Please get out... [Atheist Book Store Conc

CosmicJoghurt said:
I would much prefer a store related to free thought, or reason. Of course, most books would be atheistic, but this way you wouldn't get the "See?! Atheism is just another religion" response by ignorant foolish religious bitches.
Like :). I agree, it shouldn't be an "Atheist" book store, but one for skeptics and learners in pursuit of real knowledge, carrying books of education, science, history (real history not religious "history"), atheistic and rational philosophy, criticism of religion, skeptical thinking, rational thinking and such. Absolutely no myth unless the myth is criticized and/or debunked! Well, that means I'm making changes to my concept book store.
 
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