General Election 2017

[australopithecus]

Christ, I'm jaded with British politics right now. Thoughts?

My consistency is pretty much Tory or Lib Dem, but Labour appear to be surging in the polls. Can J-Corbz pull it back?

 

[Gnug215]

Christ, I'm jaded with British politics right now. Thoughts?

My consistency is pretty much Tory or Lib Dem, but Labour appear to be surging in the polls. Can J-Corbz pull it back?

Who isn't jaded with politics these days?

Seriously though. The fact that the Conservatives are this popular when it's clear that the welfare state is being picked apart, and the rich are just getting richer, is astounding.

 

[WarK]

Here's a tool to help you vote: https://www.tactical2017.com/
You select your constituency and it tells you who to vote for if you want to minimise the chance of Torries winning again.

 

[australopithecus]

My constituency is Tory currently, but historically Lib Dem. Labour don't have much of a presence in Cornwall. Lib Dem it is, then.

 

[australopithecus]

Seriously though. The fact that the Conservatives are this popular when it's clear that the welfare state is being picked apart, and the rich are just getting richer, is astounding.

It's an absolute state. Brexit isn't helping either. When you break down the popularity polls most people agree with Labour policies but think the Tory's will lead better. They've convinced those they're taking to the cleaners that they care about them, it would be admirable if it wasn't so psychotic.

 

[Prolescum]

I've voted Green all my adult life except where I voted tactically for the Lib Dems in 2010 (The Labour MP there was awful, just awful). Big error of judgement, that. Although, the circumstances are different today (I live somewhere else, a bunch of simpletons voted to get rid of settlers from the Commonwealth by leaving the EU...) so I think I'll be voting tactically again, albeit for Labour this time. I quite like the cut of Corbyn's jib too.

 

[australopithecus]

Old Man Corbz has done pretty well recently. Two thumbs up.

 

[Gnug215]

But so...

Who is this General Election guy then?

Decorated army officer, I presume? Running for office as King President of England, I further presume??

 

[australopithecus]

I heard he served at the battle of Demons Run.

 

[Prolescum]

You know, I am so constantly outwitting the opposition, I tend to forget the delight and satisfaction of the arts... the gentle art of fisticuffs.


~ General Election

 

[australopithecus]

Why is Corbz always ruling out a coalition? There won't be a Labour majority! This isn't time to ponce about on principle, Jezza.

 

[Prolescum]

Because one of Theresabot's two phrases is "coalition of chaos".

I think Lyndon Crosby has pulled the same game too many times now (throw insults, sneer, repeat lame neologism, avoid questions about nebulous manifesto, throw insults...) and I think it's a failed strategy now, particularly because it's aimed at Corbyn, who simply points out it's puerile and carries on talking policy :lol:

 

[Laurens]

All these bloody elections going on all the bleedin' time...

I feel absolutely battered by it. People are soooooo divided in this country.

I see people saying things like 'Tory scum' or 'if you vote Tory let me know so I can delete you off my friends list'. As if that is going to change someones vote. And this is coming from people who would react negatively if someone said 'if you are a Muslim let me know so I can delete you off my friends list'. Both statements operate on the same level of consciousness...

We all need to calm down, have a nice cup of tea, and realise that most people aren't too bad really.

I'm voting Green.

 

[Laurens]

Just watched this clip:


Where do they get all these pro-nuke knuckleheads? I cannot help but feel like the audience was rigged. Are normal people really that pro-nuke?

Maybe it's a failing of the education system. But I don't understand how intelligent people can view weapons that could destroy our entire species as something to champion. Corbyn wasn't being unreasonable. In fact he's bent over backwards for the warmongering nuke-heads in his own party. This audience appears to think he's a weak moron for saying he would try to not kill millions of people.

What the fuck.

 

[australopithecus]

I couldn't possibly vote for a man who didn't want to turn the population of a city into radioactive shadows.

 

[Laurens]

I feel so conflicted about this election. Whoever wins will have to deal with the shitstorm of Brexit negotiations and the fallout when people realise that the best possible deal is automatically going to be worse than things are right now...

If Labour wins they will be torn to shreds over this. The Tories will swoop back in with their press saying Labour have fucked it up again and the left could be dealt a catastrophic blow.

In a sense I'd rather see TM deal with that shit, but she is far more likely to fuck us over with a terrible deal or no deal at all. But there is a glimour of hope that the UKIPers will realise what a terrible mistake they made by 2022 and we will kick the Tories out.

Whatever the case I feel like things are pretty bleak. In this country at the moment. I'd like to get caught up in the Corbyn mania but I can't be sure about him. The majority of the people who actually have to work with him said they have no confidence in him. Not just the "Blairites" but most Labour MPs. The people who now have a big stake in the Labour Party are not necessarily interested in winning elections, and might keep Corbyn in power even after a defeat in the GE. The kind of people who lobbed a brick through Angela Eagle's window when she challenged his leadership. I know you can't blame Corbyn for that, but I don't know if you can trust a party that doesn't really have any great measures to stop people like that from entering the party. I think Tom Watson was correct when he said that there is a shadowy side to the surge in Labour membership and support.

Unfortunately it is either him or the Tories, and if the Tories do win (which is likely) I think his supporters will try to keep their hands on the wheel even if the bus goes off the cliff.

 

[australopithecus]

I'm more convinced that Labour or a centre/left coalition can negotiate a better Brexit deal than th Tories. May's attitude to the whole affair has been a shambles. She talks in nothing but sound bites and David Davis is as useful as tits on a fish.

The left is ostensibly Remain, and I'd rather have them than hardline euroskepics negotiating our exit.

 

[Laurens]

I'm more convinced that Labour or a centre/left coalition can negotiate a better Brexit deal than th Tories. May's attitude to the whole affair has been a shambles. She talks in nothing but sound bites and David Davis is as useful as tits on a fish.

The left is ostensibly Remain, and I'd rather have them than hardline euroskepics negotiating our exit.

I agree that Corbyn's attitude towards the negotiations appears to be much better.

However the fact is the best Brexit deal is going to be worse than being a member of the EU. The EU don't want it to look easy or beneficial to leave. We'd be kidding ourselves if we thought we could get something better than what we have now, even with the best negotiating team ever.

I have no doubt that Theresa May would pull something worse out of the bag. But its a bit of a shit situation whoever takes charge.

 

[australopithecus]

Yeah, best case scenario is they forget Brexit and chalk the whole thing up as a dream, but I've made peace with the fact it's happening, so I'd rather not let the Tories negotiate it.

 

[Dragan Glas]

Greetings,

The UK could do something similar to what Ireland did with the Lisbon Treaty vote: when the first one returned a No - much to the shock of the government - they had a second referendum, which got the Yes vote.

Perhaps Labour, assuming they got in, could have a second referendum to give a more informed electorate the chance to get the right vote...!?

Kindest regards,

James