AronRa
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The following is a series of messages received on my public figure Facebook.
Because we evolved as a societal species, there was a significant selective pressure toward those with compassion for their family friends and fellows. I've heard some really sick Christians tell me that if there was no god, they'd be raping and killing and stealing for the fun of it. As if that could be fun. But we have substantial data now that what really happens whenever Christians lose their faith, they tend to lose their bigotry too. They become more curious, more tolerant, more rational, and tend to vote more liberally.
Statistically there is a distinctly negative correlation between religion and morality.
The "source" of morality is not the subject opinion of people pretending to recite the subjective opinions of the tyrannical monster they made up. The source is within yourself. All you need for objective morality is a definition that is independent of this god you imagine. Once you know what morality is apart from that, then you can objectively measure God against your moral standard, wherein God consistently fails.
Watch this video, and you'll never make the argument you just did again.
Someone who truly follows the Bible will sell his daughter into slavery for half the price of his son, and will murder anyone working on weekends.
Someone who truly follows the Bible will also murder anyone not gullible enough to buy into your religion.
Anyone who truly follows the Bible will sacrifice their first born on the alter of God, and will murder any infidel on the word of one or two witnesses.
Anyone who truly follows the Bible will also murder rapists as well as their innocent victims and will also murder disobedient children.
Anyone who truly uses the Bible as their moral guide would be a criminal in every country on this planet.
Jesus said he came to fulfill the law, and that you had better follow every jot and tittle of those old Jewish commandments, or else you would be called least in Heaven.
How many slaves would a moral person keep?
Would a moral person only allow slaves of a certain race to go free after seven years, but keep the slaves of every other race forever?
Would a moral person punish anyone for the thought crime of not believing impossible nonsense for no good reason?
Do please answer the questions I already asked. How many rape victims would a moral person murder?
Now answer the next question. How many slaves would a moral person have?
If disease is the issue you say it is, then why does the Bible say that the victim should be forced to marry her rapist?
Would any guide to wisdom or morality ever suggest that a rape victim be forced to marry her rapist and never be allowed to divorce him?
I have another project to work on right now, but I think we should continue this conversation. I would like to do that more publicly, for the sake of posterity. These private conversations don't achieve much to my experience.
'sup?Hello sir, I was recently watching some of your videos on YouTube and I just have a few questions if you had the time. I understand you are probably very busy.
Christianity doesn't teach good morals. It teaches blind obedience and family abandonment in favor of a death cult that depends on gnostic make-believe. The commandments you're talking about aren't Christian. They're from the Jewish tradition and are shared with Muslims too. That's only some of the commandments by the way.Well your one video said that you think "all religious teachings are wrong" but what about Christianity that teaches good morals and to be kind and not kill and steal and stuff like that?
I get my morals from the same place you do. You just mistakenly think they come from somewhere else.So with all do respect where do you get your morals from?
Because we evolved as a societal species, there was a significant selective pressure toward those with compassion for their family friends and fellows. I've heard some really sick Christians tell me that if there was no god, they'd be raping and killing and stealing for the fun of it. As if that could be fun. But we have substantial data now that what really happens whenever Christians lose their faith, they tend to lose their bigotry too. They become more curious, more tolerant, more rational, and tend to vote more liberally.
Statistically there is a distinctly negative correlation between religion and morality.
The "source" of morality is not the subject opinion of people pretending to recite the subjective opinions of the tyrannical monster they made up. The source is within yourself. All you need for objective morality is a definition that is independent of this god you imagine. Once you know what morality is apart from that, then you can objectively measure God against your moral standard, wherein God consistently fails.
Watch this video, and you'll never make the argument you just did again.
Defining morals without a god is easy. it's already been done.Without a source it is impossible to define morals because John over here could say "This is having morals" but Bill would say "It's not."
No, wrong. We've definitely gotten a lot better consistently over the last few centuries, and that trend has been constant through the last few decades.I just want you to know that I am talking to you with respect. But society shows that it has gotten worse in the last 50 years not better.
Stephen Pinker also wrote about this in his book, The Better Angels of Our Nature, where he documents both our continued progress toward compassion and away from violence, and also how religion lies trying to reverse that, the way religion reverses everything.Someone who truly follows the bible, will show kindness and tolerance because that's what God teaches. I am sorry for the mean, rude, unkind Christians that you have ever met, but that's only because they are not truly following the bible's teachings.
Someone who truly follows the Bible will sell his daughter into slavery for half the price of his son, and will murder anyone working on weekends.
Someone who truly follows the Bible will also murder anyone not gullible enough to buy into your religion.
Anyone who truly follows the Bible will sacrifice their first born on the alter of God, and will murder any infidel on the word of one or two witnesses.
Anyone who truly follows the Bible will also murder rapists as well as their innocent victims and will also murder disobedient children.
Anyone who truly uses the Bible as their moral guide would be a criminal in every country on this planet.
Yes he did, as one of your prophets lamented.But see that's old testament. And God never had anyone sacrifice their first born or sell their daughter or kill the innocent.
Jesus said he came to fulfill the law, and that you had better follow every jot and tittle of those old Jewish commandments, or else you would be called least in Heaven.
How many rape victims would a moral person murder?How many rapes do you think there would be if the rapers knew they would get the death sentence?
How many slaves would a moral person keep?
Would a moral person only allow slaves of a certain race to go free after seven years, but keep the slaves of every other race forever?
Life in prison is a punishment. Death is an escape from punishment for those who believe in life after death. That's why the murder rate is actually higher in every state that has the death penalty.So which is worse telling putting a rapist in prison for five years letting him get real bitter and get out and commit a murder or give a rapist punishment?
Would a moral person punish anyone for the thought crime of not believing impossible nonsense for no good reason?
Do please answer the questions I already asked. How many rape victims would a moral person murder?
Yet your Bible commands that the victim be killed. Thus your Bible is less moral than you are. How can that be?They wouldn't, it wasn't their fault they were raped. Sure let the rapist get off with five years, but 9 times out of 10 the victim will contract a disease and be suffering for the rest of their lives and the rapist will do it again and end up in prison to My and time again.
Now answer the next question. How many slaves would a moral person have?
If disease is the issue you say it is, then why does the Bible say that the victim should be forced to marry her rapist?
Would any guide to wisdom or morality ever suggest that a rape victim be forced to marry her rapist and never be allowed to divorce him?
Depends on the circumstances. If the rape happened in the city, the victim must be murdered. In the commandments that you just referred to, a slaver is permitted to beat his slaves so severely that they can't get up for a day or so. You can even knock your slave's eye out. Only Jewish slaves were allowed to be released after seven years, because the Bible is racist. That's in your commandments too.The bible says not to kill the victim but to declare them unclean and they just had to follow the steps of getting clean, which is old testament doctrine. The thing with slaves as well is old testament doctrine, your thinking of slavery like we had here in the states. In the bible the way it happened is that one family who couldn't pay a debt would be slaves or what we call servants and would work until the debt was payed.
I have another project to work on right now, but I think we should continue this conversation. I would like to do that more publicly, for the sake of posterity. These private conversations don't achieve much to my experience.