Dying and rising Gods.

[thenexttodie]

Are there any other dying and rising Gods except for Christ who lived and died as a man and then came back as a man?

 

[ldmitruk]

There a number of gods who died and rose from the dead. Here's a list of ten of them. In addition here's the Wikipedia entry on resurrection deities. I think it's interesting a number of them pre-date the story of Jesus. This leads me to believe the myth of Jesus is just a retelling of older resurrection myths.

 

[Bango Skank]

There a number of gods who died and rose from the dead. Here's a list of ten of them. In addition here's the Wikipedia entry on resurrection deities. I think it's interesting a number of them pre-date the story of Jesus. This leads me to believe the myth of Jesus is just a retelling of older resurrection myths.

Even if Jesus story is unique, so what? I bet many other religions have unique features too.

 

[MarsCydonia]

Are there any other dying and rising Gods except for Christ who lived and died as a man and then came back as a man?

Can you define what you mean by man?

Because I think we may have different perceptions on the abilities and limitations of man.

 

[thenexttodie]

There a number of gods who died and rose from the dead. Here's a list of ten of them. In addition here's the Wikipedia entry on resurrection deities. I think it's interesting a number of them pre-date the story of Jesus. This leads me to believe the myth of Jesus is just a retelling of older resurrection myths.

This doesn't really help much.

I assumed someone here has already done the research and is able to answer my question with referring me to laundry lists.

 

[thenexttodie]

Even if Jesus story is unique, so what?

Well, some parts of anyone's life story would be unique and other parts would be common.

 

[thenexttodie]

Are there any other dying and rising Gods except for Christ who lived and died as a man and then came back as a man?

Can you define what you mean by man?

A male human.

 

[Bango Skank]

Even if Jesus story is unique, so what?

Well, some parts of anyone's life story would be unique and other parts would be common.

I know that you didn't claim it, but 100% of the christians that i have encountered so far, argues that the uniqueness of Jesus is proof that the story is true.

 

[he_who_is_nobody]

Are there any other dying and rising Gods except for Christ who lived and died as a man and then came back as a man?

Can you define what you mean by man?

Because I think we may have different perceptions on the abilities and limitations of man.

Obviously when thenexttodie says "man" he means someone that could walk on water, heal the sick, kill trees with one touch, raise the dead, have wounds that never heal or fester, and fly up into heaven. Thenexttodie must mean this because it is claimed Jesus did all those things in the Bible. Who knew man was such a badass? That or thenexttodie is just asking a nonsense question.

 

[thenexttodie]

Even if Jesus story is unique, so what?

Well, some parts of anyone's life story would be unique and other parts would be common.

I know that you didn't claim it, but 100% of the christians that i have encountered so far, argues that the uniqueness of Jesus is proof that the story is true.

That maybe. I don't really care. It's not like winning an argument with an atheist is a requirement of Christianity. I doubt hardly anyone ever became a Christian as a result of doing a comparative study on the uniqueness of Christs life as oppossed to anyone else's. So I am not sure why any Christian would expect you to be convinced or even interested at all in hearing these types of arguments. Try pointing that out to them next time. That might be interesting.

Anyway this is all besides the point. After all according to the Bible, Christ was not the only, nor even the first person raised from the dead. This thread is not an attempt by me to try to prove his uniqueness.

 

[Laurens]

Why don't you research it yourself?

All I'm going to say is that if this is a unique aspect to the Christ myth, it doesn't make it true (EDIT: Or rather it doesn't make it any less a myth). It's the only one that is set in Judea and involves Jews. Having unique aspects and qualities only serve to distinguish it slightly from all the other similar myths. The fact that you're looking for aspects that distinguish it in itself shows how similar they are.

 

[he_who_is_nobody]

Why don't you research it yourself?

All I'm going to say is that if this is a unique aspect to the Christ myth, it doesn't make it true (EDIT: Or rather it doesn't make it any less a myth). It's the only one that is set in Judea and involves Jews. Having unique aspects and qualities only serve to distinguish it slightly from all the other similar myths. The fact that you're looking for aspects that distinguish it in itself shows how similar they are.

As I pointed out earlier, in what way is Jesus (in the Bible) a man? He walks on water, heals the sick, can kill trees with a single touch (pre-resurrection), raise cemeteries of the dead, have wounds that never heal or fester, and ascend into heaven (post-resurrection). In what way can any of that be classified as human? How are those not characteristics of a supernatural (and fictional) character (be it a god, wizard, jinn, etc...)?

 

[Laurens]

Why don't you research it yourself?

All I'm going to say is that if this is a unique aspect to the Christ myth, it doesn't make it true (EDIT: Or rather it doesn't make it any less a myth). It's the only one that is set in Judea and involves Jews. Having unique aspects and qualities only serve to distinguish it slightly from all the other similar myths. The fact that you're looking for aspects that distinguish it in itself shows how similar they are.

As I pointed out earlier, in what way is Jesus (in the Bible) a man? He walks on water, heals the sick, can kill trees with a single touch (pre-resurrection), raise cemeteries of the dead, have wounds that never heal or fester, and ascend into heaven (post-resurrection). In what way can any of that be classified as human? How are those not characteristics of a supernatural (and fictional) character (be it a god, wizard, jinn, etc...)?

Indeed, it's not even accurate on its own terms. But if it were it's still not a point against mythicism, any more than it being based in a different location is.

 

[MarsCydonia]

A male human.

Can you define what you mean by human male?

Because I think we may have different perceptions on the abilities and limitations of human males.

With the information provided so far in that "man" is "human male", I will go with "yes, there are other dying and rising Gods who lived, died and came back as a man"

 

[thenexttodie]

Obviously when thenexttodie says "man" he means someone that could walk on water, heal the sick, kill trees with one touch, raise the dead, have wounds that never heal or fester, and fly up into heaven.

No. If you don't like me using Jesus as an example of what I'm looking for, then just focus on the given qualifiers. Died as a man and came back as a man. It's a simple enough question.

 

[MarsCydonia]

No. If you don't like me using Jesus as an example of what I'm looking for, then just focus on the given qualifiers. Died as a man and came back as a man. It's a simple enough question.

The answer is yes. Since you defined man as "human male", there are other religious figures claimed to be gods who took human male forms to come to earth to live among man, died and were resurrected in their human male form before ascending.

And they all have roughly the same level of solid evidence too.

 

[thenexttodie]

The answer is yes. Since you defined man as "human male", there are other religious figures claimed to be gods who took human male forms to come to earth to live among man, died and were resurrected in their human male form before ascending.

Can you give me the name of just 1?

 

[MarsCydonia]

Can you give me the name of just 1?

Krishna

 

[Steelmage99]

Thenexttodie, where are you going with this?


Here are a few things looming on the horizon like the discrete rumbling of an impending storm;

1. Special significance will be assigned to specific circumstances surrounded the myth you believe in - whereas the significance of equally specific circumstances in other resurrection myths will be downplayed.

2. It will be pointed out that while Jesus was a man, he wasn't just a man. He was also a god. Your response to that remains to be seen.

3. The construction of a "Gotcha" argument - where terms are not defined, equivalences will be perpetrated and leap-frogging will commence, and the person presenting the "argument" will refuse to move on to another premise unless the previous premise has been accepted.


Thenexttodie, just present your argument. If you need another person to interact with or to trick during your argument - then it is a lesser argument.

 

[thenexttodie]

Krishna

Thank you.