DutchLiam84 said:"You're only educated if you understand how ignorant you are"
Indeed!
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DutchLiam84 said:"You're only educated if you understand how ignorant you are"
Why is Lucy not a transistional:
A) they have found 40 of 207 bones ( roughly) many bones being broken. This is considered a most "complete" fossil. Nevermiding the fact the 40 bones that have been found are in pieces. So to assert it has been " pieced together" is false because of evolutionary presuppositions gaps have been placed to give longer legs, or bones have actually been jammed tiger to give shorter arms. Remember it's not like they have one good arm and make the other symetrical... That's not there.. Hence a great place to insert evolution of the gaps.
B) the pelvis was mechanically worked on to claim Lucy walked upright, bipedalism. There is a nice little video on it courtesy of national geographic that shows Dr. Love joy ( I think that was his name) sawing on bones to make it work. That would be called tampering with evidence but in this scenario I'll just let it pass and say the bones mechanically evolved via a drill/sawblade not via genetic drift, et al.
C) with these 40 bones or so 20%... The complete Lucy stands.. I do not know of another way to frame it but Lucy is simply 80% wishful thinking.
Sparhafoc said:4) Neither the pelvis nor any other component of AL 288-1, or in fact of any invaluable fossil has been 'mechanically worked' - that's a statement only the mentally insane would declare. The evidence for this vicious accusation? Non-existent. This is simply libel, and it's very typical of creationists to make such vicious accusations, but not one of them ever has the gumption to put their money where their rectum is.
5) Dr Lovejoy sawing on bones? BONES? BONES? He could have been sawing on fish for all we care, and then told us the price. Bones are not fossils, chap. Rather a telling exposure of how ignorant Bernhard is about the topic while pretending to have all this expert knowledge.
[url=http://www.theleagueofreason.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=167109#p167109 said:he_who_is_nobody[/url]"]SpecialFrog said:And here is a transcript of the "Lucy tampering" video to which he must be referring.
"OWEN LOVEJOY: When I put the two parts of the pelvis together that we had, this part of the pelvis has pressed so hard and so completely into this one, that it caused it to be broken into a series of individual pieces, which were then fused together in later fossilization.
DON JOHANSON: After Lucy died, some of her bones lying in the mud must have been crushed or broken, perhaps by animals browsing at the lake shore.
OWEN LOVEJOY: This has caused the two bones in fact to fit together so well that they're in an anatomically impossible position.
DON JOHANSON: The perfect fit was an allusion that made Lucy's hip bones seems to flair out like a chimps. But all was not lost. Lovejoy decided he could restore the pelvis to its natural shape. He didn't want to tamper with the original, so he made a copy in plaster. He cut the damaged pieces out and put them back together the way they were before Lucy died. It was a tricky job, but after taking the kink out of the pelvis, it all fit together perfectly, like a three-dimensional jigsaw puzzle. As a result, the angle of the hip looks nothing like a chimps, but a lot like ours. Anatomically at least, Lucy could stand like a human."
The original Lucy is untouched, allowing others to verify whether Lovejoy's separation and reassembly of the fossil pieces is valid.
:facepalm: