Devo and the evolution of mankind.

Led Zeppelin

Active Member
"I can walk like an ape, talk like an ape, I can do what monkey do"

Though not completely accurate, the genius of it is that it basically sums up how we categorize animals. I walk like an ape, I look like an ape, I can do what other apes can do so I must be an ape.

It's just a thing we made up to categorize things. It can't be falsified. Yet evolutionists claim that basically every single scientific discovery proves our somewhat arbitrary and self made categories demonstrate the actual origins of species.
 

*SD*

Administrator
Staff member
Evolution doesn't have anything to do with origins, at least nothing essential anyway. Also, I think you know what you just posted is a strawman of the theory. There are many people here who know far more about this than I, but I'm pretty sure I'm right in calling that a strawman. The theory of evolution describes and accounts for the diversity of life on this planet, not the origins of it.
 

Desertphile

Member
"I can walk like an ape, talk like an ape, I can do what monkey do"

Though not completely accurate, the genius of it is that it basically sums up how we categorize animals. I walk like an ape, I look like an ape, I can do what other apes can do so I must be an ape.

That is correct: we are apes. Perhaps you would please answer a question that I have asked Creationists for the past 40+ years: why did your gods make us apes? If your gods made us in their image, that means your gods are apes.

It's just a thing we made up to categorize things. It can't be falsified.

Okay, I give up: how do you know it cannot be falsified? Please show us how you came to that false belief.

By the way, it is easily falsifiable.

Yet evolutionists claim that basically every single scientific discovery proves our somewhat arbitrary and self made categories demonstrate the actual origins of species.
 

Desertphile

Member
Evolution doesn't have anything to do with origins, at least nothing essential anyway. Also, I think you know what you just posted is a strawman of the theory. There are many people here who know far more about this than I, but I'm pretty sure I'm right in calling that a strawman. The theory of evolution describes and accounts for the diversity of life on this planet, not the origins of it.

Yes, it is a straw man. It is also begging the question. The author wished us to accept his assumption that the world's scientists base the fact that humans are apes only because we look like the other apes--- as if this is bad science. Genetics also tells us we are apes; our behavior is ape behavior (Creationists believe there are alpha male apes in the sky that punishes the disobeying subordinate apes down here--- an ape belief).

Common descent is falsifiable:

SN - 1572-8358
UR - https://doi.org/10.1007/BF00045845
DO - 10.1007/BF00045845
ID - van Dongen1984
 

Desertphile

Member
That's a great point!

This morning I was reading Haldane's 1937 book on "The Causes of Evolution" where he pointed out, often, that Darwin's theory and the augmentation of that theory does not cover origins. He argued the "primordial soup" hypothesis on origins since 1929. Here we are, 92 years later, and professional Creationists still deliberately get this wrong.
 

Led Zeppelin

Active Member
Genetics also tells us we are apes.
Not really. "Ape" is just a manmade way of classification. I don't see how this "tells" us anything. We can classify cars and firearms ect, but we dont learn anything about cars by classifying them. It doesnt "tell us" anything. It's just something we do.
 

Desertphile

Member
Not really. "Ape" is just a manmade way of classification. I don't see how this "tells" us anything. We can classify cars and firearms ect, but we dont learn anything about cars by classifying them. It doesnt "tell us" anything. It's just something we do.

I agree that evolution does not classify beyond the species level except in several cases (cross-pollination; fertile hybrids; and genome jumping fungus and the like). It is indeed humans that classify life forms found in a vast biosphere. Yet clades do offer benchmarks that place populations in specific and demonstrable (and therefore helpful) genomic lineages. This means that scientists are able to make predictions about the behavior of one species by learning about species in its nearest clade. The fact that humans are apes is obvious regardless of metric; this is why it helps to understand human behavior by studying the behavior of the other apes--- and vise versa. If another species of apes were toi be discovered this evening we can know before-hand what many of its behaviors will be, just my knowing human behavior.

It means that classification is not arbitrary, even though the biosphere is a huge spectrum.
 

Led Zeppelin

Active Member
I agree that evolution does not classify beyond the species level except in several cases (cross-pollination; fertile hybrids; and genome jumping fungus and the like). It is indeed humans that classify life forms found in a vast biosphere. Yet clades do offer benchmarks that place populations in specific and demonstrable (and therefore helpful) genomic lineages. This means that scientists are able to make predictions about the behavior of one species by learning about species in its nearest clade. The fact that humans are apes is obvious regardless of metric; this is why it helps to understand human behavior by studying the behavior of the other apes--- and vise versa. If another species of apes were toi be discovered this evening we can know before-hand what many of its behaviors will be, just my knowing human behavior.

It means that classification is not arbitrary, even though the biosphere is a huge spectrum.
Good answer.

It's not like I think evolutionists are the stupidist people in the world. I'll never be an expert. I just have my own way of thinking and like throw in my 2 cents about it from time to time.
 
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