Denialism Parallels

[ThePuppyTurtle]

This thread is created to track the parallels between different Kinds if Denialism

(Founder's Name)ism
Quote Mining:
Demonizing Discoverer
Cherry Picking
Deathbed Recanting
A List of scientists that agree with them
Impossible Expectations
There's always a conspiracy

To Clarify the first one, Examples include: Darwinism, Copernicanism etc.

 

[Dustnite]

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[aeritano]

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[borrofburi]

I think you'll see quote mining to be pretty common. Demonizing alternate viewpoints will be pretty common too. Not sure I understand the first one... Cherry picking, as you've already noted, will be quite common. Deathbed recanting is an odd one; where have you seen this with germ theory denialists?

Also lack of climate science?

 

[Memeticemetic]

Wow. You've already progressed to referring to Creationism as Denialism? That's a quick leap, mate. Perhaps you should take it slower and learn a bit more about the sciences. Focus more on expanding your knowledge base before you become confident in the new position you seem to be adopting. Don't get me wrong, I like that you seem to be coming down on the side of the facts, but you've likely a long way to go before your confidence in your knowledge is really justified. Pointing out fallacious arguments is a far cry from really knowing about any particular subject. There's plenty of time for that. Patience.

 

[Laurens]

Ehhhhh?

I don't understand this topic

 

[lrkun]

This thread is created to track the parallels between different Kinds if Denialism

(Founder's Name)ism: | Geocentricism | |Creationism| |Germ theory Denialism|

Quote Mining: | Geocentricism | |Creationism| |Germ theory Denialism|

Demonizing Discoverer: | Geocentricism | |Creationism| |Germ theory Denialism|

Cherry Picking: | Geocentricism | |Creationism| |Germ Theory Denialism|

Deathbed Recanting: | Geocentricism| |Creationism| |Germ Theory Denialism|

Could you explain what you mean to say in this thread? Based from the above repllies, like them, I also don't understand what you're trying to write.

-lr

 

[televator]

Looks to me like he's naming the most often resorted to methods of flawed arguments and naming the denial-isms that are most founded on them? I would think mining and cherry picking were interchangeable....

 

[Snufkin]

Impossible expectations: |Creationism|

Examples: Show me a monkey that gave birth to a human! / Show me a lab experiment where an animal turned into another type of animal! There should be a fossil for every dead creature to prove evolution!1!!

 

[ThePuppyTurtle]

I think you'll see quote mining to be pretty common. Demonizing alternate viewpoints will be pretty common too. Not sure I understand the first one... Cherry picking, as you've already noted, will be quite common. Deathbed recanting is an odd one; where have you seen this with germ theory denialists?

Also lack of climate science?

C0nc0rdance's video on GTD

 

[CosmicJoghurt]

This thread just makes no sense, at all...

 

[australopithecus]

Makes perfect sense to me. Puppy seems to have accurately labeled the various genres of dishonesty that people employ to discredit ideas. As he pointed out as a first example, suffixing the idea with an ism to try and turnnit into something it's not: "evolutionism/ Darwinism is a religion/worldview".

 

[CosmicJoghurt]

It's like he's trying to make himself look more intelligent.

 

[televator]

I don't understand why people have to be so down on him. If you don't find his ideas particularly interesting, just ignore them. I do it all the time around here. I mean stuff like this seems pretty benign at worst.

 

[Dean]

Looks to me like he's naming the most often resorted to methods of flawed arguments and naming the denial-isms that are most founded on them? I would think mining and cherry picking were interchangeable....

Listing forms of what some would call denial-"ism" is also ultimately pointless to achieve any relevant goal, hence the question marking...
The fact of the matter on the subject is that all forms of these sorts of arguments, whether they be conspiracy, metaphysical pseudo-science, or whatever else, is that they seem to have some inherent... I'd go so far as to say religious motivation behind them. And not just in a broad sense, religion is a major contributor, especially the more fundamentalist variation therein, to forms of denial, described in their religious texts. In addition, any attempt to discredit the ideas of such doctrines will quickly be dismissed in a similar fashion. Though I hold positive views on this, it may be pointless to argue with such individuals as "denial-ists", I fear. Just look at the vivacious views of holocaust-deniers for instance.

 

[televator]

Looks to me like he's naming the most often resorted to methods of flawed arguments and naming the denial-isms that are most founded on them? I would think mining and cherry picking were interchangeable....

Listing forms of what some would call denial-"ism" is also ultimately pointless to achieve any relevant goal, hence the question marking...
The fact of the matter on the subject is that all forms of these sorts of arguments, whether they be conspiracy, metaphysical pseudo-science, or whatever else, is that they seem to have some inherent... I'd go so far as to say religious motivation behind them. And not just in a broad sense, religion is a major contributor, especially the more fundamentalist variation therein, to forms of denial, described in their religious texts. In addition, any attempt to discredit the ideas of such doctrines will quickly be dismissed in a similar fashion. Though I hold positive views on this, it may be pointless to argue with such individuals as "denial-ists", I fear. Just look at the vivacious views of holocaust-deniers for instance.

It may be pointless in the grand scheme of things, but sometimes it helps people gather thoughts for their own immediate purposes. Like I said I myself, don't have an immediate need or interest in this, but if some others do then let them be on their merry way. Last thing I want to do is discourage people from organizing their thoughts when they're trying to be logical.

 

[Dean]

[. . .]It may be pointless in the grand scheme of things, but sometimes it helps people gather thoughts for their own immediate purposes. Like I said I myself, don't have an immediate need or interest in this, but if some others do then let them be on their merry way. Last thing I want to do is discourage people from organizing their thoughts when they're trying to be logical.

Indeed. No probs here. I am all for engagement of this sort. But, it is more important, I think, assuming that this is even possible, to discuss such matters with the denialists. I have found myself arguing with AIDS Deniers on the Internet, elsewhere, and I have actually succeeded in changing some minds there, which is why my perspective, at least for the most part, remains hopeful.

 

[australopithecus]

It's like he's trying to make himself look more intelligent.

It's like you're trying to be insulting. Second time today you've posted snide remarks about someone. I'd advise you don't make it 3 times.

 

[CosmicJoghurt]

Wow... I'm surprised it came out that way.

 

[australopithecus]

I very much doubt that.