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Creation Astronomy!
- Thread starter Chirios
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ImprobableJoe
New Member
Well, you knew it was just a matter of time...
http://www.creationastronomy.com/
Yep, here it is: anti-evolution rhetoric applied to astronomy. Gravity is just a theory! Of course, the website is just a commercial for the video, for only $19. It is hosted by another one of those Christian shit-weasel "I used to be an atheist and evolutionist" liars. It tries to tie astronomy to biology for some unknown reason. The Great Red Spot on Jupiter may have been around for hundreds of years. Jupiter spins too fast, though, so it must be made of magic Jeebus dust!
Holy crap, the stupidity!
http://www.creationastronomy.com/
Yep, here it is: anti-evolution rhetoric applied to astronomy. Gravity is just a theory! Of course, the website is just a commercial for the video, for only $19. It is hosted by another one of those Christian shit-weasel "I used to be an atheist and evolutionist" liars. It tries to tie astronomy to biology for some unknown reason. The Great Red Spot on Jupiter may have been around for hundreds of years. Jupiter spins too fast, though, so it must be made of magic Jeebus dust!
Holy crap, the stupidity!
Ah yes, Spike Psarris. AndromedasWake mentions some of his bullshit in one of his videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkcE5kQQiH4
Yet another charlatan, ripping off people who swallow his lies. I really hope there is a hell, 'creation scientists' deserve eternal torture.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkcE5kQQiH4
Yet another charlatan, ripping off people who swallow his lies. I really hope there is a hell, 'creation scientists' deserve eternal torture.
ImprobableJoe
New Member
Re: My God in Heaven
They listen, but they do not hear or understand. When creationists speak, they present a viewpoint that is simple and easy to understand as compared to what they teach in class, so it is embraced. The fact that it is wrong, dishonest, and really fucking stupid is lost, because it makes people feel smart when they listen to creationists.Chirios said:
To quote Fox Mulder: "I want to believe." When people have no expertise on a given subject, they often are suspicious of those who have. Plus, many people love conspiracy theories (even those that are intended as fiction, like the Da Vinci Code): apart from being detective stories, they fuel people's existing prejudice and distrust of the 'established authorities' ("Ha, I knew they were lying! Bastards!").
Men like Hovind and Psarris know this, and they exploit this, presenting themselves as 'brave individuals', martyrs, who are able to see through the conventional wisdoms, spoon-feeding their audience with what they want to hear. Instead of complicated science, this easy-to-get nonsense makes them feel good about themselves. They no longer feel dumb and excluded, now they are the ones "in the know". And as a bonus, science becomes their common enemy, which strengthens their group cohesion. In this way, Hovind & co have created their own subculture, where they are the authority.
Creation science is all about psychology.
Men like Hovind and Psarris know this, and they exploit this, presenting themselves as 'brave individuals', martyrs, who are able to see through the conventional wisdoms, spoon-feeding their audience with what they want to hear. Instead of complicated science, this easy-to-get nonsense makes them feel good about themselves. They no longer feel dumb and excluded, now they are the ones "in the know". And as a bonus, science becomes their common enemy, which strengthens their group cohesion. In this way, Hovind & co have created their own subculture, where they are the authority.
Creation science is all about psychology.
The way he throws the word "evolution" around, people would think that evolution is the fucking Theory of Everything.
Evolution makes the sun give off light! Evolution holds atoms together! Evolution explains what goes on in black holes!
This is just awful.
Evolution makes the sun give off light! Evolution holds atoms together! Evolution explains what goes on in black holes!
This is just awful.
First PseudoAstronomy had trouble, now it seems like shanedk did as well.
When you try to play either clip on Psarris' website, the media player says that the clip is over 13 minutes long, but it stops you before 4 minutes. Both debunkers mentioned above weren't able to view the whole segment.
Fortunately, Psarris' codemonkeys don't know all that much about media players. In the source code of the preview page, I was able to find the links to both video files IN FULL. The video truncation takes place insdie the site's media player. How terribly stupid of him.
The video files are .flv files, which can be opened in VLC media player.
Intro clip:
http://www.creationastronomy.com/preview/Intro.flv
Jupiter clip:
http://www.creationastronomy.com/preview/Jupiter.flv
You're welcome. Or not. Sorry if this turns your brains to mush.
When you try to play either clip on Psarris' website, the media player says that the clip is over 13 minutes long, but it stops you before 4 minutes. Both debunkers mentioned above weren't able to view the whole segment.
Fortunately, Psarris' codemonkeys don't know all that much about media players. In the source code of the preview page, I was able to find the links to both video files IN FULL. The video truncation takes place insdie the site's media player. How terribly stupid of him.
The video files are .flv files, which can be opened in VLC media player.
Intro clip:
http://www.creationastronomy.com/preview/Intro.flv
Jupiter clip:
http://www.creationastronomy.com/preview/Jupiter.flv
You're welcome. Or not. Sorry if this turns your brains to mush.
ThermalCry
New Member
"Give us $19 and we will reaffirm your presuppositions with the evidence you demand ... none!"
I believe that the entire creationist methodology can be summed up by two great Americans: George Carlin and PT Barnum.
"Think about how stupid the average person is, well half of them are stupider than that"
- George Carlin
"There's a sucker born every minute."
- PT Barnum*
Many things in science are somewhat counter-intuitive. This gives the creationist camp a huge opening. They know that the vast majority of people don't have the requisite understanding of scientific principals or even the cognitive ability to understand how stars and planets form, how proteins can self-replicate or how natural selection can operate through descent with modification, but they THINK they do. They passed high school science, have watched a program or two on the discovery channel so they feel that they have a firm understanding of the principals of cosmology and evolutionary theory. Some even seem to think they understand relativity and quantum dynamics (show them a few differential equations and watch their head explode, this is fun).
Charlatans - i mean creationists make great use of what I'll call the Barnum principal. Today, taking into consideration the current worldwide birthrate and assuming a standard distribution of IQ, there are something like 120 suckers born every minute<1>. This explains why pseudoscience is a growth industry. Even some of the people who fall on the right side of the bell curve will not make any serious pursuit of science and logic, therefore become easy prey for the creationist predators. I personally know several people in this later category, although they tend to be somewhat less rabid than the die-hard Hovinoids and Hamites.
And then, as soon as they can find a scientist saying "We don't know" or "we don't understand how that works" the creationists pounce! "AH HA! You don't have absolute truth, you don't know how everything works, therefore god created the universe! That's the proof right there!"
These people actually think that admitting we don't know something is a weakness when in fact it is the greatest strength of the scientific community!
And another thing, what makes these people believe that a process which takes billions of years can be recreated in a laboratory experiment?
There's the rub. They don't. They know it can't. They are being intellectually dishonest and it is my personal belief they they are doing exactly what they accuse science of doing. Intentionally lying in order to maintain their power base (and income).
<\rant>
e2iPi
<1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_rate
^-----For the creationists who might read this, this is called a citation, it shows that I didn't just make up the numbers and anyone is free to track them down and do the math themselves just to make sure I haven't gone batshit crazy.
*Attribution is disputed.
"Think about how stupid the average person is, well half of them are stupider than that"
- George Carlin
"There's a sucker born every minute."
- PT Barnum*
Many things in science are somewhat counter-intuitive. This gives the creationist camp a huge opening. They know that the vast majority of people don't have the requisite understanding of scientific principals or even the cognitive ability to understand how stars and planets form, how proteins can self-replicate or how natural selection can operate through descent with modification, but they THINK they do. They passed high school science, have watched a program or two on the discovery channel so they feel that they have a firm understanding of the principals of cosmology and evolutionary theory. Some even seem to think they understand relativity and quantum dynamics (show them a few differential equations and watch their head explode, this is fun).
Charlatans - i mean creationists make great use of what I'll call the Barnum principal. Today, taking into consideration the current worldwide birthrate and assuming a standard distribution of IQ, there are something like 120 suckers born every minute<1>. This explains why pseudoscience is a growth industry. Even some of the people who fall on the right side of the bell curve will not make any serious pursuit of science and logic, therefore become easy prey for the creationist predators. I personally know several people in this later category, although they tend to be somewhat less rabid than the die-hard Hovinoids and Hamites.
And then, as soon as they can find a scientist saying "We don't know" or "we don't understand how that works" the creationists pounce! "AH HA! You don't have absolute truth, you don't know how everything works, therefore god created the universe! That's the proof right there!"
These people actually think that admitting we don't know something is a weakness when in fact it is the greatest strength of the scientific community!
And another thing, what makes these people believe that a process which takes billions of years can be recreated in a laboratory experiment?
There's the rub. They don't. They know it can't. They are being intellectually dishonest and it is my personal belief they they are doing exactly what they accuse science of doing. Intentionally lying in order to maintain their power base (and income).
<\rant>
e2iPi
<1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_rate
^-----For the creationists who might read this, this is called a citation, it shows that I didn't just make up the numbers and anyone is free to track them down and do the math themselves just to make sure I haven't gone batshit crazy.
*Attribution is disputed.