Hey all.
I'm just a guy from Europe - 25 years old.
I'd describe myself as a passionate, militant agnostic. You can count me among atheists or pantheists if you want (doesn't make much difference to me), but I resent the surplus of certainty and lack of curiosity in both atheists and believers.
My favorite atheist talkers are Aron Ra, Seth Andrews and... Tim Minchin. From those you know.
I am a veteran of discussion. Freethinking, but extremely so. Most people who call themselves freethinkers question Christianity they were brought up in and call themselves skeptics. I can't help it, my mind is a weapon against whatever you present as a status quo or reality. Show me rules and I'll show you where they don't apply. Show me a slab of emmental cheese, I'll point out the holes. It's a reflex.
I strive to understand and overcome everything. Disagreement and criticism is a gift, if it's a constructive one. Essentially, I'd say I'm a natural-born philosopher in both Socratic and Platonic sense. But the age demands it, so I must prove points with science and demand practical, material results.
The nick Armitage... Well, I obviously liked the book. And if you know the character... He reminds me a lot of me. An hollow shell occupied and directed by a magnificent ghost that strives for freedom.
The reason why I'm here... Well, my great hobby is The Venus Project. Before you all go *not this shit again* :roll: let me say something. I've discussed a lot. With skeptics. I know Austrian economy, in fact I attend a school led by a Libertarian and we have a lot of it in curriculum, we have to make essays about it. And it's an interesting subject.
But I can see flaws in everything, in all kinds of economy, except The Venus Project. I can't find what's wrong with it, in fact all my senses are telling me that it's the best idea of all. All the arguments I have ever heard against TVP were either a conspiratory crap, superstitious crap, or they weren't about TVP at all. Either a straw man, or the guys had no idea what TVP actually is.
Might it be, that TVP is to skeptics what atheism is to Christians? Christians often assume that atheists were never proper Christians anyway, so they "explain" Christianity to them over and over again from the basics. Similarly, I know something is terribly wrong every time a disagreeing economist explain to me basics of economy - labor, capital, soil... That's like telling a professional cyclist how to work the pedals. That happens to me a lot, people assume I disagree because I don't know the basics.
Or they say that TVP is a sect... Srsly, I haven't personally met anyone who would even understand what TVP is, much less care to join a sect. In my experience, the less you learn about economic theories and the more understanding you have of nature, science and household family economics, the more you can understand TVP. I used to be a middle lefty democratic average Keynesian guy, then I saw the merit of Austrian school and minimal state and now I see that it all pales before the Venus Project that makes them all sound like bloodletting and skull trepanation practices. Surprisingly, if Libertarians would apply their Hayek consistently and took into account today's technologic level, they would invent TVP by themselves. Why they don't, why they stop halfway of 19th century, that is a point of sociologic fascination for me.
So I thought, let's try some new grounds. Let's google TVP and see a skeptical website with TVP on it. Theoretically I should be able to win every discussion about TVP, I did so far. It's fascinating how unskeptical can skeptics be, how they can commit the same mistakes of which they accuse religious people. Let's see if I can change someone's mind - I've already won discussions on TVP... It made me feel like an atheist activist among fundies. Equipped with ultimate arguments and evidence, but vulnerable against *la la la I don't hear you.* I hope you guys like disagreement and don't take things personally. I regret to prove people wrong - usually they're not interested in this economy stuff anyway, go in only for easy win and just stop reacting if they turn out to be wrong. Victory makes enemies, basically. Not everyone is a person enough to admit a "defeat", a correction of opinion. We're so desperate to be right and save face that we never say we don't know when we don't know.
The discussion on TVP will be hopefully approved by the mod and posted in the General Skepticism, so you might want to look there.
I'm not likely to enter into many other discussions, about religions etc, I have a plenty of these elsewhere. I'm just crashing in for the fun with TVP.
I'm just a guy from Europe - 25 years old.
I'd describe myself as a passionate, militant agnostic. You can count me among atheists or pantheists if you want (doesn't make much difference to me), but I resent the surplus of certainty and lack of curiosity in both atheists and believers.
My favorite atheist talkers are Aron Ra, Seth Andrews and... Tim Minchin. From those you know.
I am a veteran of discussion. Freethinking, but extremely so. Most people who call themselves freethinkers question Christianity they were brought up in and call themselves skeptics. I can't help it, my mind is a weapon against whatever you present as a status quo or reality. Show me rules and I'll show you where they don't apply. Show me a slab of emmental cheese, I'll point out the holes. It's a reflex.
I strive to understand and overcome everything. Disagreement and criticism is a gift, if it's a constructive one. Essentially, I'd say I'm a natural-born philosopher in both Socratic and Platonic sense. But the age demands it, so I must prove points with science and demand practical, material results.
The nick Armitage... Well, I obviously liked the book. And if you know the character... He reminds me a lot of me. An hollow shell occupied and directed by a magnificent ghost that strives for freedom.
The reason why I'm here... Well, my great hobby is The Venus Project. Before you all go *not this shit again* :roll: let me say something. I've discussed a lot. With skeptics. I know Austrian economy, in fact I attend a school led by a Libertarian and we have a lot of it in curriculum, we have to make essays about it. And it's an interesting subject.
But I can see flaws in everything, in all kinds of economy, except The Venus Project. I can't find what's wrong with it, in fact all my senses are telling me that it's the best idea of all. All the arguments I have ever heard against TVP were either a conspiratory crap, superstitious crap, or they weren't about TVP at all. Either a straw man, or the guys had no idea what TVP actually is.
Might it be, that TVP is to skeptics what atheism is to Christians? Christians often assume that atheists were never proper Christians anyway, so they "explain" Christianity to them over and over again from the basics. Similarly, I know something is terribly wrong every time a disagreeing economist explain to me basics of economy - labor, capital, soil... That's like telling a professional cyclist how to work the pedals. That happens to me a lot, people assume I disagree because I don't know the basics.
Or they say that TVP is a sect... Srsly, I haven't personally met anyone who would even understand what TVP is, much less care to join a sect. In my experience, the less you learn about economic theories and the more understanding you have of nature, science and household family economics, the more you can understand TVP. I used to be a middle lefty democratic average Keynesian guy, then I saw the merit of Austrian school and minimal state and now I see that it all pales before the Venus Project that makes them all sound like bloodletting and skull trepanation practices. Surprisingly, if Libertarians would apply their Hayek consistently and took into account today's technologic level, they would invent TVP by themselves. Why they don't, why they stop halfway of 19th century, that is a point of sociologic fascination for me.
So I thought, let's try some new grounds. Let's google TVP and see a skeptical website with TVP on it. Theoretically I should be able to win every discussion about TVP, I did so far. It's fascinating how unskeptical can skeptics be, how they can commit the same mistakes of which they accuse religious people. Let's see if I can change someone's mind - I've already won discussions on TVP... It made me feel like an atheist activist among fundies. Equipped with ultimate arguments and evidence, but vulnerable against *la la la I don't hear you.* I hope you guys like disagreement and don't take things personally. I regret to prove people wrong - usually they're not interested in this economy stuff anyway, go in only for easy win and just stop reacting if they turn out to be wrong. Victory makes enemies, basically. Not everyone is a person enough to admit a "defeat", a correction of opinion. We're so desperate to be right and save face that we never say we don't know when we don't know.
The discussion on TVP will be hopefully approved by the mod and posted in the General Skepticism, so you might want to look there.
I'm not likely to enter into many other discussions, about religions etc, I have a plenty of these elsewhere. I'm just crashing in for the fun with TVP.
