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Seeing as we don't have (surprisingly) any Covid threads, I thought we should have one, cos, well it's sort of a topic really, isn't it?
What's the deal where you live? Lockdown? Many cases?
Do you think it's all a load of old poppycock?

Oh, by the way, here's a pretty good resource for checking statistics -
 
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My country (Netherlands) is going into the second wave we are at 6000 infected a day and with the new measures 10 days ago its not going down. I think we will have more measures taken next week or that week after.
 
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Yes, it's pretty much the same here (UK for those who don't know) - on the verge of a second lockdown. It's being done in stages, locally, Scotland currently has the more strict second time around measures and those were implemented yesterday. It does seem like a second full lockdown (like back in March) is on the cards, but only time will tell!
 
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Greetings,

Seeing as this topic was started to discuss Covid-19, yet seems to have died, I thought I'd revive it to explore recent developments.

The possibility of a lab origin for the virus has resurfaced due to the WHO's conclusion that the investigations in Wuhan were inconclusive because the team were not allowed access to all available information. A number of prominent scientists have called for further investigations into its origins.

There's also evidence that a variant has jumped from dogs to people.

Just some things to think about.

Kindest regards,

James
 
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There is no possibility for a lab origin of the virus, since there simply is not any proof for that.
Even those promoting that idea, are making that completly clear whenever they disseminate that, as to not be open to libel lawsuits.
There is also no chance of uncovering any proof at this point, so the whole issue is moot and only serves to foster racist sentiments against Asians and to justify another trade war against China.

Nevermind that there is nothing to be done, even if that was true ... so it does not matter in the least and there is no merit in pursuing it, on the contrary, that can only cause damage.
 
arg-fallbackName="Dragan Glas"/>
Greetings,

I disagree.

Please note that a lab-origin does not imply a weaponised version - it could just have been a lab accident.

The fact is we must know from where it came in order to better understand the vectors involved.

The workers in the lab themselves thought that it likely came from the lab when people in a nearby market fell ill.

Kindest regards,

James
 
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No, we do not need to know anything and any public discussion of this has only demerits.

If virologists want to discuss the theoretical possibility among themselfs, sure, go ahead, but this topic only is harmful if discussed by the public. Nothing good can come from it.

Nevermind that we can not trust any information that comes from the US government anyways, since they are openly hostile to China, so at least I am not going to participate in wild speculation, till there is at least some evidence from two independent sources.
 
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arg-fallbackName="Dragan Glas"/>
Greetings,

Any scientific investigations/discussions are bound to end up in public discussions.

To avoid investigating for fear of negative public reaction is hardly helpful.

US political reactions to China notwithstanding, I think once the truth is known, no-one can try to mislead the public for political gain.

Kindest regards,

James
 
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I am not in favor of investigating it, cause there is no chance at all, that they can find anything. Zero chance for any results and they admitted that themselfs.
It is an utter waste of time, money and resources. Nevermind that there is no way in hell, China will let the US investigate anything in their country, rightfully so.

Its just political theatre. And of course they are gonna use it for political gain .. they already do. Its not a quest for truth, but a perversion of it.

Here is what you do, if you a competent and serious about it: You gather evidence, form a theory and then present it to the public. You do not present wild speculation to the public, without evidence and then campaign publicly for an investigation, that will never be permitted anyways. Thats completly ludachrist.
 
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The possibility of a lab origin for the virus has resurfaced due to the WHO's conclusion that the investigations in Wuhan were inconclusive because the team were not allowed access to all available information. A number of prominent scientists have called for further investigations into its origins.

While I completely accept and support the need for a thorough investigation, this still remains a position residing on an argument from ignorance. We can't rule out 100% that it wasn't created in a Chinese lab, therefore it's plausible it was. That's not right. We can't rule it out 100% - but we can rule it out to a degree that should satisfy most people. Meanwhile, where's the evidence that it was created in a lab? There's literally zero evidence for it. This is just another facet of the failure of modern society to repress its stupid fringes - we're harming ourselves by allowing poorly conceived ideas to be granted social license.
 
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Nevermind that the argument they got for the possibility is "It might be a tad too complex and well adjusted to have occured naturally".

And well .. that gives me flashbacks to discussions with certain people ... of course its not comparable, but I got alarms ringing in my ears when I hear something like that.

I disagree about the investigation part though Sparhafoc, there is no way the US can or should do it. Would be less opposed though, if someone else did it, like .. I dunno .. Belgium.
 
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I completely agree that this investigation is pointless and a waste of time and money coming from the US. I mean, the US government cannot agree to investigate the Trump Riot, but they have time for this? What a joke.
 
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Serendipity is an amazing thing.

The origin of SARS-CoV-2, revisited
Since early in the pandemic, scientists have overwhelmingly concluded that evidence points to a natural origin for SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, as a far more likely explanation for the pandemic than a laboratory origin. In May, however, there has been a lot of media chatter about the “lab leak” hypothesis, and President Biden even ordered US intelligence agencies to look into it. What, if anything, has changed? Is there new evidence? Spoiler alert: The answer to both questions is no. The “lab leak” hypothesis is fast becoming a conspiracy theory.
 
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Yeah, that seems to be the general consense Nobody and its backed up by projections of every government in wealthier countries.
Most governments in the western world, already saw this coming since a decade or two ago and the first projections for a global pandemic, were made in the 80ties. That was so well known, the "killer flue" became a trope in sci-fi and cyberpunk back then. Btw. we reacted as badly to it, as fiction assumed.

Stuff like this makes me really wanna scream at the world .. we saw it coming, we knew what to do ... and we screwed up, millions dead. Great. Fuck every incompetent government.
 
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Greetings,

I'm not suggesting that America, or any other country with a political axe to grind, carry out the investigation.

The WHO, and other global organisations should do that.

My key point is that the real cause needs to be identified - if we don't find out the causes of anything, we can never learn/adapt to such threats.

Kindest regards,

James
 
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There already is overwhelming consense what the cause was and the solution is simple, stay away from animals to avoid virii jumping species and stop destroying their habitats ... and thats not new information.

There are at least 1000 more virii that have the potential to jump species and, sadly, we seem to be dead set to catch em all. Yaay us.
 
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