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Can anyone truly know that there is no God?

arg-fallbackName="theatheistguy"/>
IrBubble said:
(1)The bible says that god cannot lie
(2)The bible says that there was a global flood
(3)There was no global flood
(4)The bible is the word of YHWH

If these premises are true then it follows that there is no YHWH.
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I now assert that the bible was written by the devil to make that argument possible, and you cannot argue with me because god just personally revealed this to me.....but I'm still an atheist :p
 
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theatheistguy said:
Disprove Yahweh for me.
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YHWH is defined by believers as being omniscient without limit to his knowledge and omnipotent without limit to his power.

1)How does god know he was not created by an uber-god?


2)Can god create a thing which he cannot cause to move? Can god become not-god? Can god cause himself to not exist?
 
arg-fallbackName="Exmortis"/>
Such questions are pointless, here is my view, assuming god is real in a physical sense...

How does god know he wasn't made by an assended god? ----> How does the assended god know he wasn't created by greater assended god?

Can god control his own creation? ----> Do you serve god or worship him in any way?

Can god become his creation? ----> Can an Artist become his painting?

Can god kill himself ----> God made free-will (apparently), Then he would have had free-will himself. If he could kill himself then he wouldn't have had free-will and therefore we wouldn't have free-will; but we do. If the following is true, then could god exist at all?
 
arg-fallbackName="theatheistguy"/>
Zylstra said:
YHWH is defined by believers as being omniscient without limit to his knowledge and omnipotent without limit to his power.

1)How does god know he was not created by an uber-god?


2)Can god create a thing which he cannot cause to move? Can god become not-god? Can god cause himself to not exist?
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All descriptions of god by believers fall short of what she really is, therefore you cant use their definitions to disprove her existence.

1) not a problem for us, only god. Also if she is all knowing then she would know

2) logically impossible. yes. yes.
 
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theatheistguy said:
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Nice evasion. HOW would it know? How would it know it weren't created by an uber-god that remains hidden? This is elementary epistemology.
2) logically impossible.
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Then there are limits ion its power and its power is not limited and it cannot exist as 'omnipotent' as defined by believers
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If god becomes not-god, then god cannot ascend back up to god- or can a non-god become a god? If a non-god can become a god, then they are not a worship-worthy uber0-being, but and end to work towards, ultimately no different from a bodybuilder or welder.

if god can cause its own non-existence, then god is not truly immortal and eternal. Therefore, god is no different than any king who commits genocide and orders rape and mass murder of children- god must be killed by any moral person.
 
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Not yet...But I gotta tell ya we are getting pretty close to explaining it with string theory.
 
arg-fallbackName="Exmortis"/>
May I simply clarifly the pointlessness of trying to explain a god, when no evidence even supports it's existance.

But please continue your little paradox of a conversation.
 
arg-fallbackName="Nightmare060"/>
This all depends on your defanition of the god.

We can't test for gods in general or the supernatural. So theres no real way to disprove it, anfd thus it's not possible to realy "know" wether a "god" on any level realy exists or not.

We can always argue wether the supposed actions of a god, when stated, are true or not. Because we can test the methods and see if they work or not! But the existance it's self we cannot test.
 
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