Balls To The Wall Against Faith Schools

[Blog of Reason]

Discussion thread for the blog entry "Balls To The Wall Against Faith Schools" by Th1sWasATriumph.

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[CosmicSpork]

I'm a bit confused what this has to do with RACE. Being Jewish doesn't make you a different race from any other...

In no definition I can find of the word Race (in reference to the classification of human beings) does it mention religion being a characteristic that is used to define a racial group.

I'm so fed up of people considering certain religions as a race, they simply are not races . I can't go out tomorrow to a special place and convert to being asian or black.

But seemingly with these religions, I could go out, convert to one of them and then declare racial discrimination when getting rejected for something based on my newly acquired faith!

At least, this is the impression I'm getting.

 

[AndromedasWake]

Faith schools are one of my few very genuine and severe concerns with England at the present time. It is still the case that the majority of faith schools receive about 85% of their funding from the tax payer, and can just freely alter minor aspects of the curriculum and selection criteria at will, without any justification to the public required. Apparently, ancient mysticism ought to be satisfactory to the English public. The only recent survey on the popularity of faith school funding was in 2005, finding that 2/3 of the public believe faith schools should receive no state funding.

Anyway, parents who send their kids to faith schools are a fucking disgrace. The creationist parent who I met the other day couldn't understand radiometric dating of meteorites, even though her child (a 9 year old) could after a simplified explanation. She owes it to her child to get educated and lead by example, or face raising her child ill-equiped to be competitive in education. It really is abuse, and the worst thing is they can't even see it because they're so blinkered.

Ed Balls is completely out of touch with the public making him rather useless as a member of government by definition.

Don't even get me started on madrassas. :x

 

[Aught3]

Judaism is kind of weird as the religion is automatically bestowed on the the children of a Jewish mother. This has given Jews a sort of racial identity even when they live in disparate countries. On the other hand anyone can join after going through the appropriate conversion. It's kind of like citizenship rather than a race - you are either born into it or have to be accepted by the right authorities.

 

[5810Singer]

I'm a bit confused what this has to do with RACE. Being Jewish doesn't make you a different race from any other...

In no definition I can find of the word Race (in reference to the classification of human beings) does it mention religion being a characteristic that is used to define a racial group.

I'm so fed up of people considering certain religions as a race, they simply are not races . I can't go out tomorrow to a special place and convert to being asian or black.

But seemingly with these religions, I could go out, convert to one of them and then declare racial discrimination when getting rejected for something based on my newly acquired faith!

At least, this is the impression I'm getting.

The Jewish tradition of marrying within the faith has been around for more than two thousand years.
Google "Rabbinical bloodline" and have a look what you get, it's interesting.

Due to the fact that Jews, especially Orthodox Jews, have observed these marriage restrictions so strictly for so long means that they are a genetically distinct group from other Semitic peoples.

Wether that amounts to being a seperate race I'm not sure, but Jews are certainly closer to being a racial group than any other religion.

 

[borrofburi]

Eh, race is a socially constructed idea, primarily based on skin color; in Brazil there are a lot of different races, in the US only a few. However as a socially constructed idea, I would say people can make race whatever they want, though I suppose one could argue that if it's not tied to skin color it's a *different* socially constructed idea.

 

[CosmicSpork]

The Jewish tradition of marrying within the faith has been around for more than two thousand years.
Google "Rabbinical bloodline" and have a look what you get, it's interesting.

Due to the fact that Jews, especially Orthodox Jews, have observed these marriage restrictions so strictly for so long means that they are a genetically distinct group from other Semitic peoples.

Wether that amounts to being a seperate race I'm not sure, but Jews are certainly closer to being a racial group than any other religion.

That just makes it too 'artificial' for my liking... but then I'm not the one who makes the definitions for these things. But there really should be some sort of solid definition for race when it comes to deciding what is racial discrimination.

Being able to transfer yourself from one race to another doesn't seem like it fits... of course, I don't think race should be a factor in anything really. It is neither an advantage or a hindrance.

A particular faith on the other hand can be (and in my opinion is pretty much always a hindrance). For instance, a doctor who hold a particular belief might not treat someone in the correct way because of their own ideology, this shouldn't happen of course, but it has.

 

[Giliell]

I hate faith schools
We have them in Germany, too and it's always the same:
They get most of their money from the state, add a little extra (mostly paid by the parents), cherry-pick their studendts, leave the less-gifted (in any respect) for the public schools, then achieve better results (sure, if you don't have to take all the inmigrant children who hardly speak German and those kids whose parents need to look at their doorbell to find out how their last name is spelled, your students WILL do better on average) and THEN claim that religious education obviously works better and I'd like to see them taken down on basis of discrimination.

 

[Womble]

hahahaa

So the Balls ness of Mr Balls is finally noticed here, it's been noted for some time on the teaching forum i use.

But on a serious note now faith schools here in the UK, as far as i am aware, are still bound by the National Curriculum. So they can't really go chopping and changing what they teach in lessons. The schools that can do that are the Academies, they have the ability to set their curriculum to be what they want, they're not completely free because they still have to use the same exam boards as everyone else and the boards are all set up for following the NC. But those are the places where creation is being taught.

Oh and by irradicating faith schools we won't stop the problem, more kids may end up being home schooled and theres the fact that even if a kid IS in a science lesson if they're being fed the line of 'scientists lie' all the time outside of school then they'll not be listening to things in lessons.

 

[5810Singer]

hahahaa

So the Balls ness of Mr Balls is finally noticed here, it's been noted for some time on the teaching forum i use.

But on a serious note now faith schools here in the UK, as far as i am aware, are still bound by the National Curriculum. So they can't really go chopping and changing what they teach in lessons. The schools that can do that are the Academies, they have the ability to set their curriculum to be what they want, they're not completely free because they still have to use the same exam boards as everyone else and the boards are all set up for following the NC. But those are the places where creation is being taught.

Oh and by irradicating faith schools we won't stop the problem, more kids may end up being home schooled and theres the fact that even if a kid IS in a science lesson if they're being fed the line of 'scientists lie' all the time outside of school then they'll not be listening to things in lessons.

And who do we have to thank for the academies?

Tony "Devout Catholic" Blair.

 

[Womble]

hahahaa

So the Balls ness of Mr Balls is finally noticed here, it's been noted for some time on the teaching forum i use.

But on a serious note now faith schools here in the UK, as far as i am aware, are still bound by the National Curriculum. So they can't really go chopping and changing what they teach in lessons. The schools that can do that are the Academies, they have the ability to set their curriculum to be what they want, they're not completely free because they still have to use the same exam boards as everyone else and the boards are all set up for following the NC. But those are the places where creation is being taught.

Oh and by irradicating faith schools we won't stop the problem, more kids may end up being home schooled and theres the fact that even if a kid IS in a science lesson if they're being fed the line of 'scientists lie' all the time outside of school then they'll not be listening to things in lessons.

And who do we have to thank for the academies?

Tony "Devout Catholic" Blair.

He was the main guy but it's the whole of Labours fault that we have acadamies, and all the people that voted them in.

 

[5810Singer]

He was the main guy but it's the whole of Labours fault that we have acadamies, and all the people that voted them in.

Tony Blair took a very hands on role with the academies, they were one of his pet projects.

I imagine that a lot of the Labour MPs that helped vote them in were doing so just to avoid political suicide, IE: disagreeing with Blair led to Alistair Campbell going on a witch-hunt, and at least one person has died in suspicious circumstances following one of Campbell's witch-hunts.

 

[Womble]

He was the main guy but it's the whole of Labours fault that we have acadamies, and all the people that voted them in.

Tony Blair took a very hands on role with the academies, they were one of his pet projects.

I imagine that a lot of the Labour MPs that helped vote them in were doing so just to avoid political suicide, IE: disagreeing with Blair led to Alistair Campbell going on a witch-hunt, and at least one person has died in suspicious circumstances following one of Campbell's witch-hunts.

That still does nothing to wash their hands of their culpability for voting for the act. And if all of them stood against him together then they would have had a united opposition front.