Led Zeppelin
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Psalm 22:21
So I'm posting this here, because this is Aron Ra's favorite web forum. Aron says he is the kind of guy who will change his mind when he is shown to be wrong about something he has said. The reason I picked this video is because I thought it was going to be another Question for the Creationists type of video. But it turns out the video is mostly about prophecy in the Bible. (There's a bit on gene knockouts as well and why he thinks they prove evolution; not the actual Theory of Evolution, just changes that are irrelevant to the theory)
So the very first claim you can really pin him down on is around the 4 min mark. This is where he makes the claim that Psalm 22:16 is a mistranslation, So this was interesting to me. As a Creationist, I take a rather fundamentalist view of the Bible and I know of a few different terms that are, actually often mistranslated,, or could at least be better translated. (The NIV replaces the word "murder" with "kill" for example, in Exodus 20.)Aron doesn't provide any source or context for his claim. And amazingly I have never such a thing before, so I had to look it up
So, Aron. Appearantly what you mean is that "they pierced my hands and my feet." should read something like "It's like a lion is at my hands and feet"
What we can do here is look up the Hebrew interlinear and compare it with the ancient texts.
What is not disputed is that we have בְּאֵר here, but if that letter in the red box is an ' then we have ארי, which means lion. And the backwards C before the ארי denote "like a"
But its not a ' it's an I . בְּאֵר is a root word for something like a pit or a well. Anyone can just google it and look it up. So I think this is not even a actual controversy.
And just from memory I can tell you there is going to be an inverted parrelism in this psalm. It's going to refer to bulls, dogs, lions and sword and then to sword, lion, dogs and bulls. verse by verse. It's poety. That's how David wrote. So we know that the "pit" in his hands and feet are like something caused by a sword.
So this is just something that Aron got wrong. Of course he is just going to repeat any wrong thing if it makes the Bible look wrong. Not really any surprise here so far.
What does Aron get right?
Aron says that Psalm 22 is not a real prophecy and that Christians just pick and chose whatever they want to be prophecy or not. He is correct. Psalm 22 is a parallelism. David was not a prophet. But his life meant something, just as our lives mean something today. And our words and actions have an effect. God is ok with us calling it a prophecy because he does not mind sharing His glory with us when we do or say something extraordinary. God does not care about prophecies more than He cares about what we do or say.
So I'm posting this here, because this is Aron Ra's favorite web forum. Aron says he is the kind of guy who will change his mind when he is shown to be wrong about something he has said. The reason I picked this video is because I thought it was going to be another Question for the Creationists type of video. But it turns out the video is mostly about prophecy in the Bible. (There's a bit on gene knockouts as well and why he thinks they prove evolution; not the actual Theory of Evolution, just changes that are irrelevant to the theory)
So the very first claim you can really pin him down on is around the 4 min mark. This is where he makes the claim that Psalm 22:16 is a mistranslation, So this was interesting to me. As a Creationist, I take a rather fundamentalist view of the Bible and I know of a few different terms that are, actually often mistranslated,, or could at least be better translated. (The NIV replaces the word "murder" with "kill" for example, in Exodus 20.)Aron doesn't provide any source or context for his claim. And amazingly I have never such a thing before, so I had to look it up
So, Aron. Appearantly what you mean is that "they pierced my hands and my feet." should read something like "It's like a lion is at my hands and feet"
What we can do here is look up the Hebrew interlinear and compare it with the ancient texts.
What is not disputed is that we have בְּאֵר here, but if that letter in the red box is an ' then we have ארי, which means lion. And the backwards C before the ארי denote "like a"
But its not a ' it's an I . בְּאֵר is a root word for something like a pit or a well. Anyone can just google it and look it up. So I think this is not even a actual controversy.
And just from memory I can tell you there is going to be an inverted parrelism in this psalm. It's going to refer to bulls, dogs, lions and sword and then to sword, lion, dogs and bulls. verse by verse. It's poety. That's how David wrote. So we know that the "pit" in his hands and feet are like something caused by a sword.
So this is just something that Aron got wrong. Of course he is just going to repeat any wrong thing if it makes the Bible look wrong. Not really any surprise here so far.
What does Aron get right?
Aron says that Psalm 22 is not a real prophecy and that Christians just pick and chose whatever they want to be prophecy or not. He is correct. Psalm 22 is a parallelism. David was not a prophet. But his life meant something, just as our lives mean something today. And our words and actions have an effect. God is ok with us calling it a prophecy because he does not mind sharing His glory with us when we do or say something extraordinary. God does not care about prophecies more than He cares about what we do or say.