Dragan Glas
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Greetings,
Kindest regards,
James
One has to remember that theological arguments are sophistry - they are attempting to rationalize their belief in God, coming up with arguments to support that belief. It's rather like Ptolemy's cosmology: he kept coming up with "epicycles" - ever smaller circles - to correct the errors in his calculations of the planets, rather than accept that his idea of perfect circles was simply wrong.momo666 said:I actually read that some time ago. I've thought about it for a while but several problems remain.Dragan Glas said:There is a common misunderstanding about the "creatio ex nihilo" phrase that I addressed elsewhere.
1)We are not talking about ex-nihilo creation in that case. What the theist would do is what Lawrence Krauss does, merely re defining the word "nothing". God/gods creating anything "out of their substance" still represents a case of creation ex-materia.
2)I'm not sure I understand how this whole "out of his substance" thing would go. Isn't god supposed to be an immaterial mind ? How can he "take" from his mind and yet remain the same ?
3)Wouldn't that imply god is open to scientific inquiry ? If we after all are nothing more than a form of god's substance, then reason tells us we are in fact god at some fundamental level. Understanding the fundamental nature of our Universe should therefore tell us, at least in part, something about god
Lastly, and this is especially for Exogen. How can god not know everything there is to know about his substance (which is supposed to be an immaterial mind) ? How does it make sense to say this Universe is created out of himself yet he does not know for a fact everything there is to know about it ? Surely, if god is to know anything, he would have to know himself.
Anyhow, these are the main issues that have bugged me when it comes to this particular idea. .
Kindest regards,
James